Wanted ,Title for Shelby

[mr bruce]

Wrong , the car in the add is the REAL Shelby, the rebodied car is the fake , with the switched VIN plate, etc. IT IS AGAINST F E D E R A L LAW TO SWITCH VIN PLATES FROM CAR TO CAR

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by mr bruce

Wrong , the car in the add is the REAL Shelby, the rebodied car is the fake , with the switched VIN plate, etc. IT IS AGAINST F E D E R A L LAW TO SWITCH VIN PLATES FROM CAR TO CAR

Ohhh, I see now. This is the original car, and at some point, someone decided to swap the drivetrain to another car, along with this car's VIN and title.

I still don't see the big deal, it's just a parts car anyway.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Ohhh, I see now. This is the original car, and at some point, someone decided to swap the drivetrain to another car, along with this car's VIN and title.

I still don't see the big deal, it's just a parts car anyway.

Power Surge;

The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........

Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......

Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........

David

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

Power Surge;

The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........

Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......

Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........

David

I suppose. I understand the legality issue, I just don't see it as a big deal. Then again, I've done the ole VIN swapperoo a few time in my teen years when I bought a newer car to replace the same car I had at the time, and didn't feel like re-registering it. Then again, that was a long time ago, and we're not exactly talking about "in demand" cars either .

I can see the issue with a limited production car like this one. I do feel the seller is being as up front as he can be about selling it. There's no law against selling a car with no title. But that's only half the battle as the buyer could be up to no good with their intentions, which WOULD be breaking the law.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Yes, the seller could/can sell that car with no title, but if he removes the original VIN from the car itself or alters it in any way on the car itself, he is then breaking the law!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have seen a few old mustangs in junkyards with a nice 3x5 peice of inner fender apron missing on them, guess where that metal ended up?????

Go down to your local junk yard and ask the owner what paperwork he has regarding each car on the lot????? If they do not have the title, they would have a form from the state (as in abandoned cars) giving them the right to own each and every car on the property......

David

[Johan]

Not to be arguementative, but the vin swapping can be done legally if it is supervised by law enforcement after proper application and the old car is destroyed and the new car would have a salvage title.
I think this is more a case of an insensitive owner doing an unsympathetic restoration on a basket case rust bucket that nobody would be interesting in
riding in let alone owning if it were not for the profit potential associated with the Shelby moniker. That said, I kind of like it. I bet it gets right on up there price wise near 50,000 USD, or it gets pulled before auction close.
Any other guesses ?

[Excaliber]

Some years ago I went to look at a GT-500 Mustang for sale, (I forget the year, 68 or 69). Turns out it was a 'real' GT-350 but redone into a GT-500, complete with tags and vin and all the right pieces. It just didn't smell right. After a couple of visits and some serious questions I finally got the story from the guy. NICE car, well done, I walked away not being sure WHAT category the car would fit into now. A waste of a good GT-350 I thought...

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Not to be arguementative, but the vin swapping can be done legally if it is supervised by law enforcement after proper application and the old car is destroyed and the new car would have a salvage title

While I do have "some" knowledge of the laws regarding this in Louisiana, I'm not aware of any legal way to do a "VIN swap"....not saying it can't be legally done.....I do know that a car can legally be re-bodied if the donor car retains it's original VIN and the Shelby #'s/VIN can be added to the donor car, and it would be noted on the title...........

I think this is more a case of an insensitive owner doing an unsympathetic restoration on a basket case rust bucket that nobody would be interesting in
riding in let alone owning if it were not for the profit potential associated with the Shelby moniker. That said, I kind of like it. I bet it gets right on up there price wise near 50,000 USD, or it gets pulled before auction close.
Any other guesses ?

Agreed, I would not mind having that car, it would not take me very long to go to the DMV and La. State Police and secure a title for the car using the original Shelby/Ford VIN...
regardless of the poor state it's in, that car can be rebuilt, floor pans, rocker panels, quarter panels can be replaced, and Shelby specific items can be found and return the car to it's former glory and it would be an original Shelby GT 500.....

Johan, I'm with you, I think the car will indeed go for big bucks and someone with the time and expertise most likely will rebuild the car....I've seen a few Shelby's in just as bad or worse condition rebuilt and done the right way and you'd never know how bad the car was before the rebuild........they are all worth saving to me, I'd hate to see this car turned into a "parts car"........

I would guess at least 40k for the car.........considering what decent drivers are going for now-a-days..........

David

[mr bruce]

The smart buyer would buy the E-bay car, and then get law enforcement involved to retrieve the "real" title for him, whala an inexpensive "real" Shelby. Has any one made SAAC aware of this auction, them guys like to keep track of stuff like this.

[joey_hv]

Originally Posted by DAVID GAGNARD

Power Surge;

The big deal is somewhere out there is a plain jane 68 Mustang convertiable with a VIN and title of another car attached to it.......Whether the VIN/title was from a Shelby or another plane jane mustang really makes NO difference in the eyes of the law........Switching VIN numbers and titles from one car to another is against the law in all 50 states.........There are a number of folks in Angola (Louisiana state penetentry) that have done the exact same thing, I happen to know a couple of them.......One did time in a federal prison, cause he was taking the cars to Nevada and selling them there, crossing state lines doing this makes it a federal offence...... he got 5 years.........

Who ever ends up with the "e-bay" car has an original Shelby, the VIN is marked in more than one place on cars.....Buying,selling or even possesing a car with a VIN that has been removed or even altered is also against the law.......I can put you in touch with a few folks that can attest to that fact also.........they too are in jail.......

Case in point; at the 35th MCA bash at Barber Motorsports Park,Unique Performance had a display of the continuation GT-350s , I was looking over one and noticed the original T- code VIN (6-cylinder Mustang), was told they could affix the Shelby VIN/numbers to these cars, but the car had to retain it's original VIN to be legally sold and registered and they were following the law to the letter..........

David

David,
how do you know all these criminal fellas/ either you're a lawyer a cop or....either way i'm your new best friend! how you doing buddy? anything I can do for ya! I'm on your side ok...

[DAVID GAGNARD]

David,
how do you know all these criminal fellas/ either you're a lawyer a cop or....either way i'm your new best friend! how you doing buddy? anything I can do for ya! I'm on your side ok...
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I'm neither a lawyer or cop, but did play a role the apprehension and prosecution of these guys...the guy that did time in the federal prison was a guy I have known all my life, not what you would call a good friend, but living in small town USA, every body knows everybody.....he had a small used car lot in town, but lived like a Rockerfeller!!!!!!!!! go figure!!!!!!

Around these parts, the Louisiana State Police doesn't take too kindly to VIN fraud type stuff, they have a division assigned strictly for this type of stuff........they regularly make suprise visits to salvage yards and ask to see paper work on cars as well as checking odometers/VINs on car lots, you'd be surprised at what they turn up.....

David

[joey_hv]

Marksville? is that anywhere by Lafayette? I have an apartment in Church Point, a house in West Monroe and I travel to Houma & Fourchon all the time. I spend half my time here and half in AZ...its a long commute

[DAVID GAGNARD]

Marksville? is that anywhere by Lafayette? I have an apartment in Church Point, a house in West Monroe and I travel to Houma & Fourchon all the time. I spend half my time here and half in AZ...its a long commute

I'm about an hour and fifteen minutes north of Lafayette, southeast of Alexandria....My work takes me to Ville Platte, Opelousas, and sometimes Church Point......Go thru Houma a couple of times a year on my way to Dulac to go fishing in the marsh as well as fishing out of Cypermore Point, was there this past weekend, but too much south wind and rough seas............

I bought my first 65 Mustang Fastback from a guy in West Monroe around 1990 and a bunch of parts since then from an old guy that has a little Mustang junkyard there......

Maybe we'll run across each other one day down here, who knows, it's a small world........and as my "new best friend" I'll let you buy the first beer...

Yes, I would think commuting to Az. would be a "ride".......

David

[joey_hv]

roger that ...i'll just listen for the rumbling of your 'stang and get the he11 out the way!