Kirkham in Shelby Registry

[1ntCobra]

Oh, so jdog just wants to get in his car in the SAAC registry twice? Once as a CSX and once as a KMP?

[Mark IV]

Why anyone really gets their panties in a knot over this is beyond me.

You are fighting over a listing in a book that is much like the "Who's Who in Waste Disposal" tomes, you pay to play. SAAC is a private corporation, they do a fine job but their decision is based upon a profit motive (as well as RK's stated point of keeping track of "clones" so they do not morph into "originals".)

If serving CS and other masters were not an issue, would they really need to track "Eleanors", "GT350 SRs" and the other bastard children that CS has "licensed"?

Besides, it is up to the interglatic Cobra Czar, one Mr. T. Legate, Esq. to decide........I will go with whatever he wishes (so that I don't become one of the "disappeared")

Rick
(who is always right except when he's not)

[Trevor Legate]

The Autokraft MK IV models have to be included (as they are in the previous registry) since they were, as you all are aware, made under licence, granted to Brian Angliss by the company that actually built the chassis/body/suspension/interior/fixtures/fittings of the Cobra during 1962 - 1966, AC Cars Ltd. So they're in for pretty obvious reasons.

The same logic is being applied to the inclusion of Kirkhams. SAAC are not keeping track of these cars for fun as over 650 chassis have to be accounted for!!

To whom it may concern: check your thesaurus for the word 'reverse' when used as a verb. Also check the meaning of the word 'irony'. It's a British thing - sorry...

[Johan]

I see Rick Kopec at the races sometimes. Nice guy. If Rick says that Evans car is in the registry so that it will not be confused as an original Cobra in the future, that seems harsh...Still a nice car though.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Johan

I see Rick Kopec at the races sometimes. Nice guy. If Rick says that Evans car is in the registry so that it will not be confused as an original Cobra in the future, that seems harsh...Still a nice car though.

Assolutely brutal.

[REAL 1]

Thanks Johan. Yes, it shouldn't be confused with an original Cobra. Although the Continuations are identical in nearly every respect they are newer Cobras and have their identifications stamped in the chasis in known locations and the aluminum is a different gauge so its hard to pass it off as an original. Although its hard to believe some continuation Cobras are already 10 years old!!!. Mine is nearly 7. Man, some of the original SAI Shelbys are almost classics now too!!!

Whew! Now that we cleared that up.

As for our moderators clever suggetion about shipping to mexico so some hombres could do it, we are talking about aluminum bodies not glass. Second, in the 60's the bodies were outsourced to AC, and for the Daytona to other coach builders in Italy. There is a parallel for SAI outsourcing. My point is very simple. I would have SAI or one of their dealers do the rebody with a Shelby invoiced body. This is not because the Kirkhams couldn't do a fine job rebodying the car. I know they could. I just wouldn't put a Kirkham invoiced body on the car at Kirkham. I would buy the body from SAI and have a Shelby Dealer do the work. In short I would keep it in the family so to speak and keep it all Shelby. Otherwise I do think you dilute the car. But then again if you prefered a Kirkham anyway do what you want.

Finally, I would match a Finish Line or HRE prepared Shelby to a Kirkham any day of the week. No problem.

[ENTDOC]

factory fives have a stronger frame

[Jamo]

You do know, kimosabee, don't you, that Kirkhams have done repair work for Shelby cars in Provo on behalf of Shelby? By golly, they've even worked on them there originals. Howza 'bout poor ol McClusky...is he good 'nugh?

I'd rather have the folks who have the experience of fitting the bodies on the frames do the work.

No doubt about the fine work done by HST...that was a dig at your pedigree jive talk if taken to the extreme. HRE...from what I've heard and seen, I'd have no qualms about letting them do their thing. FinishLine? Good work, but I s'pose it depends upon one's life expectancy, donja think?

[REAL 1]

Wuch u talkn bout Willis??? I'm not talkn no damn jive talk. Its straight blood.

My thoughts is my thoughts.... I think

Besides yus knows I's right.

[4pipes]

[quote=Jamo]You do know, kimosabee, don't you, that Kirkhams have done repair work for Shelby cars in Provo on behalf of Shelby? By golly, they've even worked on them there originals. Howza 'bout poor ol McClusky...is he good 'nugh?

Jamo, Kimosabee (sic) NOT REAL!:

Kemo Sabe - A reference to radio and television show The Lone Ranger. Both the Lone Ranger and Tonto called each other "Kemo Sabe," meaning "faithful friend" or something like that. Kemo Sabe was not really a term or words of any Native American tribes, but was made up by the actor that played Tonto and it stuck. It was foremost a term of respect and to a certain degree a term of endearment. (from Ep. War Lover: JOHNSON: Need you to help me out with some cover. RUIZ: No strain, Kemo Sabe.)

[Jamo]

Actually, If I had a Shelby-labeled thingy, I'd probably would want a Shelby-authorized facility to do it, or insure that I had paperwork to show Shelby subbed the work to Kirkham.

Now, don't let this go to your head...law of averages dictates that by mere chance, even you can be correct on a particular point once in a dozen blue moons.

[Excaliber]

johan, I 'bout spit my coffee over Evans car being in the registry so as not to be confused with a 'Real 1'.

Now Evan you know I'm a fan, but that WAS funny!

[JBo]

Point of information....aluminum bodies were never outsourced to AC Cars in the 60's! They (AC CARS Limited) were the original producers of the bodies, frames and all mechanicals except engine and transmission and were shipped to 'ole Shel that way. These were the ORIGINAL ROLLERS fellows, shipped to US awaiting 'heart transplants".

[Kzof]

I said I can take both sides. Yes that leaves me wide open. Let the gunfire begin. Like I said I always tell people exactly what it is, but if you want to play Devils advocate, if Shelby built it and he calls it a Cobra what would YOU call it?

[REAL 1]

Original Cobra bodies and chasis were outsourced. Shelby used AC to supply the rollers and with the 427 opted not to produce it inhouse and allowed AC to build the rollers. Fact.

There are parallels in the history of both series.

Yes, Oinie. I agree, it was funny but truth be told, after the laughing is over we are still left with the facts.... its in the registry on its own merits and the distinction in the era it was built as stated in SAAC home page. No secret there. Makes sense to distinguish old from new.

Interesting point. Billy Andrews told me there are only about 100 aluminum bodied Continuation seires Shelbys right now. Thats less then the original series. Pretty rare by any standard.

[xlr8or]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Interesting point. Billy Andrews told me there are only about 100 aluminum bodied Continuation seires Shelbys right now. Thats less then the original series. Pretty rare by any standard.

Oh look, a new way to add exclusivity to the car. I wonder how many of that 100 were painted black?

100 seems low to me. I thought I heard Kirkham had supplied them with 150 or more.

I think SAAC has a good idea to keep track of the K cars to prevent "air cars" in the future.

Jdog I think you should do it. Nothing wrong with having the current day aluminum body experts make the change. As mentioned they have been the source for restorations and repairs as well as supplied Shelby.

[jdog]

Well I guess after all this, I have to do it! It's not a matter of if, but when.

David, glad to see your 'listening', old pal, friend, Kemo.....oh never mind. Do you hear that? That's the cash register ringing from my 'CSX re-body package deal' idea. I can offer my car as a 'guinea pig'. You could photo the whole thing and use it for promotions.
If I had the 'discretionary funds' right now, I'd place the order today. You could 'reverse engineer' the fiberglass body and ,.....nevermind.

I wish I had a boat, so I could sell it!

Anybody want to buy an Ithica 12ga. s/s shotgun, valued at about $25,000?

I think having a car that had been worked on at the famed Kirkham 'Skunk-works' somewhere in the desert's of Utah, would only make it unique. As Jamo said there have been several CSX cars visit the Skunk-works, and they come back 'changed'.

Now where are the keys to the gun safe?

jdog
P.S. I was in the toy store the other day with my 3 year old nephew and I showed him a plastic car & a metal car. Guess what he said?................Oh, nevermind!

[David Kirkham]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Interesting point. Billy Andrews told me there are only about 100 aluminum bodied Continuation seires Shelbys right now. Thats less then the original series. Pretty rare by any standard.

Evan,

I wonder what Shelby did with the other 100 or so frames and bodies we sold them??? (We have sold them around 200 frames and bodies).

jdog,

Just let us know when you are ready to polish some real metal.

David

[Allan A]

If you can buy exactly the same part from the outsourcing manufacturer through another vendor , then that isn't necessarily a Shelby part.

Ok, if we live by this, then the CSX 7000 or CSX 4000 fiberglass cars made in Las Vegas would be the only Cobra's to claim 30% Shelby inside

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by David Kirkham

I wonder what Shelby did with the other 100 or so frames and bodies we sold them??? (We have sold them around 200 frames and bodies).

Roughly what is the breakdown between 427 and 289 cars?