Continuation CSX a "Kit car"?

[Chaplain]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

If that is the case, then don't you think that those people have a right to their dream, and a right to not have it smeared and tainted all over the internet by people who don't share that dream?

Huh, could you repeat that in English please.

[Power Surge]

Originally Posted by Chaplain

Huh, could you repeat that in English please.

Translation:

It was pointed out that you should buy a car to fullfill your dream, not someone else's.

My repsonse was that those who have done just that, should have the right to not have their dreams trashed by those who don't share that dream.

Of course, as pointed out after THAT, freedom of speech gives people the right to trash other people's dreams.

Then add Club Cobra to the mix, and you've got a place were any CSX related thread can be turned into the same old arguement by the same old non-CSX owners with nothing better to do. But don't you dare try doing that to a Kirkham owner, or an ERA owner, or any other brand for that matter.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

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Then add Club Cobra to the mix, and you've got a place were any CSX related thread can be turned into the same old arguement by the same old non-CSX owners with nothing better to do. But don't you dare try doing that to a Kirkham owner, or an ERA owner, or any other brand for that matter.

Strange, when Evan does not reply on a csx related thread, the people who normally bash him are not here to chime in.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by Power Surge

Translation:

It was pointed out that you should buy a car to fullfill your dream, not someone else's.

My repsonse was that those who have done just that, should have the right to not have their dreams trashed by those who don't share that dream.

Nobody is out to trash anyone else's dream. It's when reality gets in the way that the dream vanishes. There are those out there that live in their own dream world, some of those people attempt to turn that dream into everyone else's dream and this is what the trouble begins. As stated above, no matter what you have, aluminum, plastic, carbon fiber, brass, or whatever else they have made these cars out of, if it was not originally built in the 60's, then it is not an original 60's Cobra. That really is the bottom line, one that even you agree with I believe......


Bill S.

[ENTDOC]

I kind of know what Sal is saying, even though I agree that there has been no trashing of CSX on this thread. I have a continuation GT40 GT2103 and it is legally a real GT40 licensed by Safir to support that. It does draw plenty of ' it is not an original GT40 so it is no more real than my XYZ GT40 ( I have an XYZ GT40 also) and that is ok that it tears them up so badly that they must constantly worry about it, I kind of like it that way. I figure I am damn lucky to have the ability to have one and if others do not like the nomenclature, screw em.

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[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

I I have a continuation GT40 GT2103 and it is legally a real GT40 licensed by Safir to support that. It does draw plenty of ' it is not an original GT40 so it is no more real than my XYZ GT40 ( I have an XYZ GT40 also) and that is ok that it tears them up so badly that they must constantly worry about it, I kind of like it that way. I figure I am damn lucky to have the ability to have one and if others do not like the nomenclature, screw em.

Close analogy to CSX4000 cars, and it would be the same if Ford were the ones selling the "new" component GT40's, not Superformance. Shelby is still selling cobra's.

[ENTDOC]

Uh, Shelby cars built by Hi tech (Superformance), Some CAV, some Kirkham. Some place in Mexico, so the analagy is pretty accurate. Shelby owns the license as does Safir, Ford does not own the license. So are the new Shelby GT40's built by Superformance not real Shelbys?

[CSX 4039]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

Uh, Shelby cars built by Hi tech (Superformance), Some CAV, some Kirkham. Some place in Mexico, so the analagy is pretty accurate. Shelby owns the license as does Safir, Ford does not own the license. So are the new Shelby GT40's built by Superformance not real Shelbys?

Does anyone know of a CSX 4000, 1000, or 7000 series which was finished by an inexperienced purchaser at home in his garage (especially if he wasn't in the auto business himself during the day)? I haven't heard of one, they were all finished by experienced first rate folks, of the same quality as SAI in Venice in the 60's, (unlike some of the other marques with first-time knuckle busters). 1965- body by AC in England, engine by Ford, wheels by Halibrand, radiator by Serk, brakes by Girling, etc., lovingly put together by experts. No meaningful difference than today, other than the location of the expertise. Sourced parts, finished out by experts. Again, the real reason was emission laws, not Shelby's habit of deception, unless you're calling all the other brands of cars which don't have airbags and catalytic convertors deceptive frauds also. Uncle Sam started this, CS just made it worse.
Buyers/owners are generally honest with enquiries. Even when I was in my very enthusiastic phase of ownership, I never told anyone it was an original Shelby. I say it is an authentic Shelby, and, (especially since mine is bare metal, I suppose), that is more then enough info. Only a rare bird knows enough about the marque to ask much beyond that.
Ironically, I talked to the owner of an original Shelby, and he had the same problem, because when he told people it WAS an original Cobra, nobody believed him! LOL!

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by ENTDOC

Uh, Shelby cars built by Hi tech (Superformance), Some CAV, some Kirkham. Some place in Mexico, so the analagy is pretty accurate. Shelby owns the license as does Safir, Ford does not own the license. So are the new Shelby GT40's built by Superformance not real Shelbys?

The difference is that Shelby still ultimately sells the cars, no matter who (Shelby, Kirkham, Superformance) supplies them (partial or entire rolling chassis). Ford sold the original GT40's, which I think were made in England, although I'm definitely no expert on GT40's. Ford no longer sells them.

I think the analogy is close, but not exact. We're splitting hairs here, maybe not really any significant difference.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Superformance GT40 is a grreat car, definitely the one I would buy. But, they didn;t make the original series of cars, although their cars I believe to be original spec built, as well under official license. Great car.

If Kirkham built the complete rolling chassis and sold them under license from Shelby with CSX numbers (instead of only supplying a bare body/chassis that is sold to Shelby for completion), then then I believe the analogy would be identical.