National Speed Limit

[Great Asp]

The economy is in bad shape, let's sloooooooow doooooooooown the rate everyone travels.

What business wants to go slower?

E

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I should have stated that this is in my daily driving, not in the Cobra. Although that really should not matter. Anyway, I am not saying that the slower traffic should not stay right. What I am saying is, if I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some a$$ that wants to drive 20 mph over the speed limit and instead of holding back at a distance until the driver in front of him gets into the other lane. They pull within 2ft at 65 MPH. That is just as wrong as staying in the fast lane. I am not saying that I am right, but either are they. .
Barnsnake, What if I am driving with the flow of traffic and some a$$ runs up on me and stays 2ft off of my bumper. I was told by a police officer once that if you feel uncomfortable about the distance someone is from your rear bumper to tap the breaks to let them know.

Anyone want to get started on the motercycle lane sharing crap. I have road motorcycles all of my life. I have never had the need or want to pass someone in the same lane doing 65-70 mph. This is at least a Calif thing. I dont know about anywhere else.

Terry

Since I drive up the 99 through your neck of the woods all the time, now I know who one of the %#@*&(*)s is who sits in the freeking left lane and won't move their ass over cuz they think they have the right to slow down the rest of the planet. I don't pull up close to anyone...I'm the a$$hole flashing my lights about a half mile back. If you don't move over...

...I will be the SOB in the black Vette who will pass you on the right, get in front of you and slow down to about 40 mph just to let you know how it feels when someone else thinks they should impose their own brand of what's right on you. I take that time out my my day just to teach folks one at a time about road manners.

And yes, I do that regularly...it's my gift to mankind.

You're slowing down the rotation of the earth.

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I should have stated that this is in my daily driving, not in the Cobra. Although that really should not matter. Anyway, I am not saying that the slower traffic should not stay right. What I am saying is, if I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some a$$ that wants to drive 20 mph over the speed limit and instead of holding back at a distance until the driver in front of him gets into the other lane. They pull within 2ft at 65 MPH. That is just as wrong as staying in the fast lane. I am not saying that I am right, but either are they. .
Barnsnake, What if I am driving with the flow of traffic and some a$$ runs up on me and stays 2ft off of my bumper. I was told by a police officer once that if you feel uncomfortable about the distance someone is from your rear bumper to tap the breaks to let them know.

Anyone want to get started on the motercycle lane sharing crap. I have road motorcycles all of my life. I have never had the need or want to pass someone in the same lane doing 65-70 mph. This is at least a Calif thing. I dont know about anywhere else.

Terry

Terry,you really are a dangerous driver.By not noticing a car untill he's "2ft from your bumper"shows you don't pay attention.Further, it would be a moot point if you travelled in the travel lane NOT the passing lane.
And that "advice" the cop gave you was stone f'ing stupid.
Exactly what part of"the left lane is PASSING ONLY" don't you get?

And as far as "lane splitting" by MCs go-it's legal.Deal with it.Sounds like you need to move to Alaska,where the only thing that MIGHT pass you is a Polar Bear.

[tcrist]

Originally Posted by Cobrabill

Terry,you really are a dangerous driver.By not noticing a car untill he's "2ft from your bumper"shows you don't pay attention.Further, it would be a moot point if you travelled in the travel lane NOT the passing lane.
And that "advice" the cop gave you was stone f'ing stupid.
Exactly what part of"the left lane is PASSING ONLY" don't you get?

And as far as "lane splitting" by MCs go-it's legal.Deal with it.Sounds like you need to move to Alaska,where the only thing that MIGHT pass you is a Polar Bear.

I never said that I did not notice the car until they were 2 ft from me. Actualy I watch my mirror alot. I find it strange that no one on this site seems to think that it is wrong to speed and tailgate. You are more interested on putting the blame on some one that drives the speed limit. My first reason for even posting was to say that If I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some one speeding. I think the law should be changed to state " slower traffic keep to the right unless you are driving the speed limit.
You guys want to let other people / drivers walk all over you while you cower to them, go ahead. The speeders and tailgaters are the bullies, not me. I was always tought, Fight for your rights. If you let people walk all over you then you might as well be a rug.

Terry

[CHANMADD]

Driving at the speed limit ,which is the posted safe, deemed speed for that road,and the average persons driving ability is, certainly your perogative, but my driving at a "safe for me" 20 mph faster is mine too. Your selfish attitude of trying to force me to abide by your rule is dangerous ,to say the least.
As an example a certain stretch of road I travel has a posted speed limit of 55mph, the normal traffic speed is 65mph,and the cops will stop and fine you for doing 10 mph over the limit only if you are doing 75 mph...go figure that one. This has to tell you that blocking the fast lane at the "posted limit" deserves you being pushed out of the way and into the closest ditch.
And to add I practice what I preach and I always am the first to move over for a faster driver!

Originally Posted by tcrist

I never said that I did not notice the car until they were 2 ft from me. Actualy I watch my mirror alot. I find it strange that no one on this site seems to think that it is wrong to speed and tailgate. You are more interested on putting the blame on some one that drives the speed limit. My first reason for even posting was to say that If I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some one speeding. I think the law should be changed to state " slower traffic keep to the right unless you are driving the speed limit.
You guys want to let other people / drivers walk all over you while you cower to them, go ahead. The speeders and tailgaters are the bullies, not me. I was always tought, Fight for your rights. If you let people walk all over you then you might as well be a rug.

Terry

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by CHANMADD

Driving at the speed limit ,which is the posted safe, deemed speed for that road,and the average persons driving ability is, certainly your perogative, but my driving at a "safe for me" 20 mph faster is mine too. Your selfish attitude of trying to force me to abide by your rule is dangerous ,to say the least.
As an example a certain stretch of road I travel has a posted speed limit of 55mph, the normal traffic speed is 65mph,and the cops will stop and fine you for doing 10 mph over the limit only if you are doing 75 mph...go figure that one. This has to tell you that blocking the fast lane at the "posted limit" deserves you being pushed out of the way and into the closest ditch.
And to add I practice what I preach and I always am the first to move over for a faster driver!

Here in Az,the limit is 75.Which means people are doing 80(at minimum).If i see headlights gaining on me,you bet yer a$$ i move over.Most of the time it's some California passing me.(There's my obligatory shot at Jamo)

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I never said that I did not notice the car until they were 2 ft from me. Actualy I watch my mirror alot. I find it strange that no one on this site seems to think that it is wrong to speed and tailgate. You are more interested on putting the blame on some one that drives the speed limit. My first reason for even posting was to say that If I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some one speeding. I think the law should be changed to state " slower traffic keep to the right unless you are driving the speed limit.
You guys want to let other people / drivers walk all over you while you cower to them, go ahead. The speeders and tailgaters are the bullies, not me. I was always tought, Fight for your rights. If you let people walk all over you then you might as well be a rug.

Terry

S.O.B!!!!You are thick-If you are doing the limit in the left lane YOU ARE THE ONE TO BLAME.

This is the third time telling you that the left lane is NOT A TRAVEL LANE!!!
What part of that don't you get?

Fight for your rights?Are you nuckin' futs?You don't have a "right" to obstruct traffic.PERIOD.

It doesn't matter what you or I or Jamo or Ron THINKS the law should be.The law is what it is.And YOU are the one breaking it.

[lineslinger]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I think the law should be changed to state " slower traffic keep to the right unless you are driving the speed limit.


Terry

Terry, you cannot make the assumption that what you think should be the law or the way it is interpreted is up to you to enforce.
That is what the police are for, if it gets to you that much pull over, break out your cell phone and call the HP.
Your lane clogging efforts are guaranteed to result in more than one case of road rage and a lot worse.

Originally Posted by tcrist

You guys want to let other people / drivers walk all over you while you cower to them, go ahead. The speeders and tailgaters are the bullies, not me. I was always tought, Fight for your rights. If you let people walk all over you then you might as well be a rug.

Terry

How can you possibly interpret someone passing above the speed limit a form of cowering or getting walked all over. With all due respect that view is totally asinine and completely self serving.
I figured they just wanted to go faster than me for their own reasons.
I would never even have considered interpreting other traffic passing me in such a personally offensive, challenging or bullying way.
Your point of view is scary, these are my highways too, they are not your personal format to assert your indignant ego.

If you want to fight for your rights you need to get the hell off the highway to do so. There is a lot more at stake than your view of how your personal rights are being affected.
When there are hundreds of of cars and trucks weighing 2 tons and up hurtling along at 50 plus mph there is lot more at stake than your personal rights issues, our families and their lives count a lot more than the self serving reasoning you cite.
You need to go find somewhere else to establish your "rights" so you don't get walked all over, not the fast, left, passing lane of a four lane highway averaging 65mph.
You play a very selfish and dangerous game sir.

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by tcrist

I never said that I did not notice the car until they were 2 ft from me. Actualy I watch my mirror alot. I find it strange that no one on this site seems to think that it is wrong to speed and tailgate. You are more interested on putting the blame on some one that drives the speed limit. My first reason for even posting was to say that If I am driving the speed limit, why should I have to pull over for some one speeding. I think the law should be changed to state " slower traffic keep to the right unless you are driving the speed limit.
You guys want to let other people / drivers walk all over you while you cower to them, go ahead. The speeders and tailgaters are the bullies, not me. I was always tought, Fight for your rights. If you let people walk all over you then you might as well be a rug.

Terry

Many people think that anyone driving faster or slower than them is an idiot. Not me. I move to the right for a faster driver any time, it is being courteous. I appreciate it when other drivers are courteous for me. It is very rare that someone won't move over the right for me. But if they don't, they are just being a jerk. Being courteous is not cowering. This has nothing to do with fighting for your rights. Perhaps you are just an angry person, looking for a fight? I don't see any difference between your attitude and the attitude of a person who tail gates. Neither attitude is courteous. Both attitudes are aggressive.

You remind me of the way my grandfather drove when he was in his 80s and 90s. He spent more time looking at his rear view mirror than looking straight ahead. And spent most of his time angry at the people behind him, thinking that the people behind him could see the grimaces he was making at his rear view mirror. I always wondered why he never rear ended someone in front of him when he was giving a dirty look in the mirror. I guess he just drove so slow it was unlikely to happen.

I don't understand how a sports car could be the right car for you; my grandfather had a 74 Dodge Polara...

[WarrenG]

I was told by a police officer once that if you feel uncomfortable about the distance someone is from your rear bumper to tap the breaks to let them know.

The cop that told you to tap your brakes was an idiot! That's the quickest way to piss off those guys and like was said before could get you shot!

[tcrist]

Bring it on up Jamo. I'll laugh at you while your blood pressure rises.

Terry

[Bob In Ct]

Everyone has their own comfort level when it comes to the speed of a car. Most consider those going faster to be maniacs and those going slower to be a hazard. When my son was getting his license I explained to him that no matter how fast he was going in the far left lane if someone was coming up on him he should let them by. Let's let the staties worry about who is speeding.

Bob

[Ron61]

Try driving slow in Europe in the outer lanes and see what it costs you. I don't care if there is no speed limit on the section of the Autobahn you are on and you are doing 100 MPH, when you pass any cars you are passing you had better get your butt back into the right hand lane. And that crap goes on up here in I-5 all the time. We have 3 lanes and they will all be backed up by some IDIOTS in the two outer lanes driving along passing no one and mostly well under the speed limit but making sure they are right next to each other and an 18 wheeler so no one can pass them. Then if they mess up and there is an opening as soon as a vehicle starts to pass they will speed up. California without doubt has the supedist and rudest drivers in the country.

Ron

[poseur]

Thankfully, here in Va. we have a law that addresses "left lane bandits" who think they have the right to enforce the speed laws and cause so much road rage and traffic disruption. But, I'm embarrassed that our Sen. Warner wants to bring back the 55 mph national speed limit...a "feel_good" but impractical approach that further stresses time pressed motorists who are driving modern cars on modern roads at their comfort level.

The National Motorists Assn. (www.motorists.org) is the one group that was instrumental in repealing the pox of the previous NMSL.

I recommend that every Club Cobra member join this group. Check out their website!

[Cobrabill]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Try driving slow in Europe in the outer lanes and see what it costs you. I don't care if there is no speed limit on the section of the Autobahn you are on and you are doing 100 MPH, when you pass any cars you are passing you had better get your butt back into the right hand lane. And that crap goes on up here in I-5 all the time. We have 3 lanes and they will all be backed up by some IDIOTS in the two outer lanes driving along passing no one and mostly well under the speed limit but making sure they are right next to each other and an 18 wheeler so no one can pass them. Then if they mess up and there is an opening as soon as a vehicle starts to pass they will speed up. California without doubt has the supedist and rudest drivers in the country.

Ron

Ron-you haven't been to Boston.

[Bobcat]

I used to travel the Country for my job and have driven in probably 80% of the States .... and stupidity ( and left lane drivers ) knows no bounds !!
As far as the 55 mph limit by the " Honorable " Senator Warner .... what an idiot ... yes , I`m a VA native and can say that . I remember the last time we had a National speed limit and it was a disaster . I used to see people driving the Interstates reading books , newspapers etc as it was so boring . In talking to a Trooper in GA one day , he was not happy with the new limit as , according to him , the accident rate was going up as people were paying even less attention than before .
It increased the amount of time I had to spend on the road greatly , and I saw no benefits .... as someone pointed out , vehicles are designed to run at an optimum speed ( at least now ) . But politicians have never been accused of have any common sense or thinking anything through .

[Ron61]

Bill,

You are correct that I haven't driven in Boston. But out here road rage has been so common for so long that they hardly mention it any more on the news. And most of it is just caused from pure stupidity and people not paying attention. The speed limit from here to Redding is 65 and then goes up to 70. The other day I followed some guy onto the freeway, ( 3 Lanes Wide ), and he entered it at about 40 MPH, drive across all 3 lanes and got in the fast lane and stayed there for about 2 miles backing up traffic. Then when he got to the place he wanted to turn, he just turned right and drove back across all 3 lanes to make his off ramp. He missed it due to some person that was really pissed refusing to lock up their brakes so he could cut through. When I turned off, that idiot was still going down the road ad about 40 with several people yelling and shaking their fists at him and the person that wouldn't let him into the outside lane where he should have been all along staying right beside him making sure he couldn't get to any off ramp. Now that was wrong too, but it is just a normal driving type incident around here any more.

Ron

[jhv48]

Originally Posted by Ron61

Try driving slow in Europe in the outer lanes and see what it costs you. I don't care if there is no speed limit on the section of the Autobahn you are on and you are doing 100 MPH, when you pass any cars you are passing you had better get your butt back into the right hand lane. And that crap goes on up here in I-5 all the time. We have 3 lanes and they will all be backed up by some IDIOTS in the two outer lanes driving along passing no one and mostly well under the speed limit but making sure they are right next to each other and an 18 wheeler so no one can pass them. Then if they mess up and there is an opening as soon as a vehicle starts to pass they will speed up. California without doubt has the supedist and rudest drivers in the country.

Ron

You couldn't be more right. I think it has to do with population density. The more rats in the box, the more aggressive they become.

I drove through Utah from Ca. last winter and on that two lane Hiway 15 from Nevada through Utah, everyone drove in the right lane until they came upon a slower vehicle. Then they would get in the left lane and pass. Returning to the right lane as soon as it was safe.

Soon as I crossed the border into Ca. coming home, that went all to hell. Everyone wanted to be in the left lane. Utah, Colorado, Idaho, Wyoming and Iowa were very courteous.

Ca. drivers think it is macho to be in the left lane.

[Jerry Clayton]

Is this thread about a national speed limit for fuel economy or drivig etiquiet????

If it is about economy---it has already been proved that it doesn't work---all the trucks are geared for max fuel econ at higher speeds than 55, also comes issue of drivers time, distance traveled per shift, rest periods, etc, etc

Also the issue about the left lane being used for passing only just puts more wear on the right lanes causing more down/detour time for road repairs and during which time the traffic will be shifted to the left lanes causing further accerated wear factors. We really need to build a new interstate system of super hyways/bridges for HEAVY(commercial traffic to get the trucks off the present system and repair the present system for non commercial ( Lighter loads/cars) then speed limits could/should be adjusted for min/max speeds that would be monitered by the sat./gps systems already available.

It isn't about fuel economy, its about total energy use and the economy!!!!!

[Gatorac]

And what is it going to cost to put up all those new speed limit signs all over the country?