427 Cobra Engine 1966

undy · #1 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fordzilla

My 2 cents: I've seen agriculture 427s without cross bolt mains. (Farm Combine motors) I have spun cammers at 9000 rpm with no problems. Dove manufacturing tells me they are spinning FEs at 9000 rpm with no problems. They are turning the crank journals down & running Chevy rods. If I recall correctly they said Chevy off the shelf "500" rods. I thought that was interesting.
Regards,

Yep, Scat and others are using BBC rods and accompanying crank journals for their FE stuff. I'm sure it helps to keep costs down, a good thing actually.

Yes sir, them short stroke FEs can really spin. Give me a long crank arm and a boat load of torue in my tea though..

patrickt · #2 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by undy

Yep, Scat and others are using BBC rods and accompanying crank journals for their FE stuff. I'm sure it helps to keep costs down, a good thing actually.

That's a good point, and often one that is subtly forgotten during these "debates." I have the SCAT 4.125 stroker crank in my FE, along with the Chevy H-Rods. Coupled with the traditional FE oil mods, and other after-market parts, this starts taking our "new-fangled" FE strokers (even with the old blocks) farther and farther away from the original FEs. You even see that on threads here where you have page after page arguing Ford bearing clearances, Ford-spec oil pressure, and the like and then somebody remembers "Oh, BTW I have an after-market crank, Chevy rods, Wiseco pistons...."

I'm sitting here trying to think what Ford parts I have on my Ford block and I'm having a tough time coming up with one. I'm sure I've got something ... I just can't think what it is. Honestly, I might very well have no Ford parts on my FE other than the block.

Fordzilla · #3 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by patrickt

That's a good point, and often one that is subtly forgotten during these "debates." I have the SCAT 4.125 stroker crank in my FE, along with the Chevy H-Rods. Coupled with the traditional FE oil mods, and other after-market parts, this starts taking our "new-fangled" FE strokers (even with the old blocks) farther and farther away from the original FEs. You even see that on threads here where you have page after page arguing Ford bearing clearances, Ford-spec oil pressure, and the like and then somebody remembers "Oh, BTW I have an after-market crank, Chevy rods, Wiseco pistons...."

I'm sitting here trying to think what Ford parts I have on my Ford block and I'm having a tough time coming up with one. I'm sure I've got something ... I just can't think what it is. Honestly, I might very well have no Ford parts on my FE other than the block.

I never thought that much about it but your right. My block is also a Genesis so I don't think there is anything Ford in or on my FE!
Regards,

patrickt · #4 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fordzilla

My block is also a Genesis so I don't think there is anything Ford in or on my FE!

So you don't really have a dog in this fight... right?

Don · #5 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 08:58 AM

The non-automotive/racing 427 casting numbers, 1965 & 1966, for:

Industrial: C5JE-D & C7JE-E

Marine: C6JE-B & C7JE-A

undy · #6 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Fordzilla

I never thought that much about it but your right. My block is also a Genesis so I don't think there is anything Ford in or on my FE!
Regards,

Don't fret, you probably (Partick too) still have an OEM timing cover.. That's all that's original with mine.

Dave

patrickt · #7 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by undy

Don't fret, you probably (Patrick too) still have an OEM timing cover.. That's all that's original with mine.

I think you're right. That, and the rebuilt starter motor.

RodKnock · #8 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 09:49 AM

I have an Autolite alternator on my CSX aluminum block 482. Ruff. Ruff.

Did the OP ever get us his casting numbers?

Excaliber · #9 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 10:19 AM

I don't think the internals of the engine make a great deal of difference on your personal ride, as far as the engine goes from an authenticity stand point. For myself, when I rebuilt my side oiler I did want to keep it as original as possible. But I was sure was tempted to go with more modern, stronger, better parts. There was some fear about using those 40 year old Le Mans rods, for instance. I dumped the soild roller cam and went with a flat tappet with specs that would have been available 'back in the day'. I retained the iron heads, but considered the weight savings I would have to give up by not using alloy. I retained the original alloy 2X4 intake. I ran even ran an old points and condensor distributor for awhile! I was bummed I had to settle for a 428 crank and considered buying a 427 crank with stock stroke. In short, I wanted to build the motor as close to original specs as I reasonably could. I wanted to get a feel for what it was like 'back in the day'. I did it for ME, not to impress anyone, not to recommend that style to anyone, just something I wanted to do.

I feel pretty good about and take a lot of pride in that motor, it's part of the fun factor for myself.

The point type distributor got old in a hurry! It would miss badly after 6000 rpm or so and I'm left wondering HOW they got more rpm out a points style distributor back in the day. Currently MSD, with a red cap, I hate seeing that...

Fordzilla · #10 (**permalink**) 10-31-2008, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by undy

Don't fret, you probably (Partick too) still have an OEM timing cover.. That's all that's original with mine.

Dave

Thanks Dave, I feel better about it now! LOL