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12-28-2008, 03:15 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary Cobra, 427 side oiler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TButtrick
I don't think anyone is missing your point. If he has no claim, how do we know whether any company didn't do the due diligence of looking to see whether CS had said rights, approaching CS for license, finding he had no rights in question, and moving forward? Has ANY cobra replica manufacturer done so and failed? It seems as though precedence has been set.
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Correct, we don't know who has and who hasn't, generally speaking other than whether they state on their websites and printed materials that they are licensed by CS. But it appears that CS sees the settlement with FFR as being a separate matter with respect to the Daytona Coupe. Or at least he thinks his more recent US Trademark on the Daytona trade dress gives him the ability to assert a new claim.
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12-28-2008, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by elmariachi
If it was that clear-cut, there would be no lawsuit.
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Just arrive here on the planet?
Interesting.
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Not to over-simplify things but this is the way I see it..
-CS once endorsed the replica manufacturing industry.
-He observed the growing industry $$s (specifically from FFR) and is now trying to cash in.
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12-28-2008, 04:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TButtrick
Not to over-simplify things but this is the way I see it..
-CS once endorsed the replica manufacturing industry.
-He observed the growing industry $$s (specifically from FFR) and is now trying to cash in.
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Yes. And whether he's right or wrong and regardless of the prior FFR litigation/settlement.
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12-28-2008, 04:54 PM
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I'm no lawyer but I'll remain hopeful that our legal system will allow FFR recourse to recoup any litigation cost they incur if they win the case. As for any replica manufacturer, this nonsense only takes from R&D funds that could be used to bring us more cool stuff.
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12-28-2008, 05:27 PM
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Wow, I was gone for 3 days and over 140 posts. Back in August I got a private tour of Shelby America in Las Vegas. The tour guide, when asked about all the cobra replicas companies, stated something to the effect that "Carroll approached all of these companies to give his blessing. In return he asked them for donations to his charity. Some gave, others did not. Those, that did not, suffered the waith of Shelby's attorney."
I do not know which companies were involved, if any, but Unique comes to mind as getting served with copyright or TM infringements.
This may all be rumors but this what the guy told me.
May you all have a blessed New Year.
KW
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12-28-2008, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by KSW64
Wow, I was gone for 3 days and over 140 posts. Back in August I got a private tour of Shelby America in Las Vegas. The tour guide, when asked about all the cobra replicas companies, stated something to the effect that "Carroll approached all of these companies to give his blessing. In return he asked them for donations to his charity. Some gave, others did not. Those, that did not, suffered the waith of Shelby's attorney."
I do not know which companies were involved, if any, but Unique comes to mind as getting served with copyright or TM infringements.
This may all be rumors but this what the guy told me.
May you all have a blessed New Year.
KW
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That sure sounds like extortion to me.
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12-28-2008, 10:35 PM
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Stentor, you were entitled to respond on your own behalf, and did so swimmingly...now that's it.
Next person to interrupt my slumber caused by this rather boring same-ol-sh!t-different-day thread gets a few days off.
I assume y'all have no questions. 
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12-28-2008, 11:00 PM
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LOL
I can just see ya sitting there ..... finger on the button ..... sayin to thyself "go on .. oneofya just ask ... go on .... go on ...."
 
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12-28-2008, 11:10 PM
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Obviously, you know you can bite me. 
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12-30-2008, 11:37 AM
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Have any of you geniuses picked up on the fact the filed complaint posted at the beginning of this thread was filed in 2000?
This big pillow fight was all to do about nothing.
Takes care.
P.S. Bill: How many correct hood rivet patterns are there. This is a test.
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12-30-2008, 11:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
Have any of you geniuses picked up on the fact the filed complaint posted at the beginning of this thread was filed in 2000? 
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Actually, it doesn't take a genius either, apparently, to read a thread before they do a drive-by post.
If you looked at Page 7 of the thread...
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Originally Posted by Don DePontee
It's a bad stamp print, if you go all the way to the bottom you will the correct date there.
Don
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That's OK...we didn't expect you to actually read what people say...we did expect a post from you, though.  
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12-30-2008, 11:55 AM
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Ron: Fortunately I don't have the time or the patience to plow through all the crap and dribble on this thread. Your kidding right? I'd have to get to page 7 before someone noted a correction? 
Normally the stamping of the filing is good enough for me. Rare its wrong.
Anyway....if CS filed another suit against FFR. He's wrong to do so IMHO. This crap doesn't need to be resurrected. Time to let go in my opinion but CS does what CS wants to do.
For all the stuff CS has done we don't like he as also done good stuff too. Remember that.
VE4MM obvoiusly has or at least appears to have a bad attitude as to CS. There are ways to criticize and voice opinions without personal attacks. If he hates Shelby so much he should sell all his Shelby cars or facsimiles thereof and build a Ferrari collection after all Shelby hated Enzo and Ferrari in general. What a better way to say I don't like Shelby. Right?
Jamo: Thanks. LOL. Who'd a thunk it????
Ron: You have a PM
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12-30-2008, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
Ron: Fortunately I don't have the time or the patience to plow through all the crap and dribble on this thread. .....
Ron: You have a PM
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No time to read it now.
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12-30-2008, 11:46 AM
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Evan
I don't claim to be a genius but here is what I read:
At the beginning " Case 2:08-cv-07881-CAS-JTL Document 1 Filed 12/01/2008"
and at the end " Dated December 1, 2008 SEDGWICK, DETERT, MORAN, & ARNOLD LLP".
Wayne
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12-30-2008, 11:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
P.S. Bill: How many correct hood rivet patterns are there. This is a test.
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My guess is none.
Wayne
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12-30-2008, 11:51 AM
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Ooops! Swing and a miss. Strike 1. That one hurt.
OK, how many geniuses does it take to screw in a light bulb... 
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12-30-2008, 12:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by REAL 1
Bill: How many correct hood rivet patterns are there. This is a test.
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Two different patterns that I can confirm on original untouched CSX3000 "SC" cars.........Of course neither of which match yours
Here is wishing you and yours a happy and a healthy new year.
Sincerely,
Bill S.
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12-29-2008, 03:54 AM
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Subtitle for the next Cobra book:
"I love the smell of a good lawsuit in the morning"
(actually I'd better be careful what I wish for)
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12-29-2008, 06:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Legate
Subtitle for the next Cobra book:
"I love the smell of a good lawsuit in the morning"
(actually I'd better be careful what I wish for)
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Trevor,
My Google Earth shows a solictor with a bundle of papers heading your walk as you type..................... 
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12-29-2008, 11:41 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Trevor Legate
Subtitle for the next Cobra book:
"I love the smell of a good lawsuit in the morning"
(actually I'd better be careful what I wish for)
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I'm sure most of the CC audience doesn't even remember where that classic line was morphed from.
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