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12-28-2008, 02:47 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Cobra Serial #1425, 2007 SHELBY MUSTANG GT500, 2000 Cobra R #15
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Originally Posted by elmariachi
You can bet CS got what he wanted out of the deal. But had FFR resolved #1 in a similar manner, where a go-forward license was agreed to, then there would be no 2nd lawsuit. Even if FFR prevails, they once again have to spend $1mil + to defend themselves. So if you are building cars in this space, do you wait to get snakebit or do you go look up the old man and make a deal?
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You are missing the point.
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
Screw Shelby, he missed the boat many years ago when he f*cked-off to Africa to find another money making scheme.
Tough Luck Shelby.............can't win em all you greed monger.
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12-28-2008, 02:51 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Driftwood,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary Cobra, 427 side oiler
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
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If it was that clear-cut, there would be no lawsuit. You are missing the point...I am not taking Shelby's side. EVEN IF HE HAS NO CLAIM, he is still spending money dragging companies to court, and that costs HUGE money to defend. Do you wait on him to attack, or do you take pre-emptive measures?
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12-28-2008, 04:33 PM
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Location: cleveland,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX4000, 427
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elmariachi
If it was that clear-cut, there would be no lawsuit. You are missing the point...I am not taking Shelby's side. EVEN IF HE HAS NO CLAIM, he is still spending money dragging companies to court, and that costs HUGE money to defend.
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That's the point. Who gets that huge money? The lawyers.
Nothing in the US court of Law is clear cut. If it was, then there would be no reason to spend more money.
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"After jumping into an early lead, Miles pitted for no reason. He let the entire field go by before re-entering the race. The crowd was jumping up and down as he stunned the Chevrolet drivers by easily passing the entire field to finish second behind MacDonald's other team Cobra. The Corvette people were completely demoralized."
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12-28-2008, 06:28 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 4000; Shelby aluminum FE with 58mm IDAs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
You are missing the point.
According to FFR, from their 1st lawsuit they won, they were allowed to use the 65 Coupe design.
Screw Shelby, he missed the boat many years ago when he f*cked-off to Africa to find another money making scheme.
Tough Luck Shelby.............can't win em all you greed monger.
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If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? 
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12-28-2008, 06:37 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Apopka,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Building 289 Lemans / FFR mkIV chassis w/ Bruce Chervenak
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So CS is cool with the "harm to his brand" if you pay for the right to continue that "harm"? Sorta makes you wonder whether he really thinks his "brand" has been harmed at all. Maybe the SPF deal Shelby made will actually help FFR. Oh the humanity! 
Last edited by jmimac351; 12-28-2008 at 06:43 PM..
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12-28-2008, 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Stentor
If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? |
Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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12-28-2008, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jmimac351
Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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I thought it was a fair question. Can you established forum members not debate and discuss a subject without attacking other posters personally?
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12-28-2008, 09:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by elmariachi
I thought it was a fair question. Can you established forum members not debate and discuss a subject without attacking other posters personally?
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Then again, newbies should respect the fact that established folks have gone through these discussions more than a few thousand times over the past several years on many different levels and nothing really new has been offered in this thread...so it might be a bit presumptuous of newbies to instruct others how to make their point so long as it stays within bounds.
I think the response was within bounds.
That being said, everyone stay within the bounds. We'll let you know when you don't.
Now get back to the discussion and stick to it. 
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12-28-2008, 09:30 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jmimac351
Stentor, do you own anything made in China? Do you like Commies? This is silly talk.
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Let's see, VE4MM's profile states that he owns a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500. And VE4MM has made it very clear in recent posts that he has a very negative opinion of Carroll Shelby (CS).
If I had a real beef with CS I probably would have elected to purchase a non-Shelby Mustang instead of a Shelby GT500 (e.g., get a Ford Mustang GT and tune it).
Following your "interesting" analogy, if I had a beef with the Chinese, I certainly wouldn't intentionally go out of my way to pay a premium for their product (when a suitable substitute was readily available at a lower cost). 
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Originally Posted by VE4MM
Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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I am not so sure that CS has changed that much since 2007 (given that you have a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500).
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12-29-2008, 11:43 AM
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Location: Winnipeg, MB,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Cobra Serial #1425, 2007 SHELBY MUSTANG GT500, 2000 Cobra R #15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stentor
Let's see, VE4MM's profile states that he owns a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500. And VE4MM has made it very clear in recent posts that he has a very negative opinion of Carroll Shelby (CS).
If I had a real beef with CS I probably would have elected to purchase a non-Shelby Mustang instead of a Shelby GT500 (e.g., get a Ford Mustang GT and tune it).
Following your "interesting" analogy, if I had a beef with the Chinese, I certainly wouldn't intentionally go out of my way to pay a premium for their product (when a suitable substitute was readily available at a lower cost).
I am not so sure that CS has changed that much since 2007 (given that you have a 2007 Shelby Mustang GT500). |
Stentor,
I picked up my 07 GT500 in Sept. 2006.
I built my FFR Cobra in 1998.
I also have many other cars in my collection.
I have about 100 Shelby books as well.
The cars are nice.........
And I have a lot of money too.
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12-29-2008, 01:30 PM
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Location: Northern,
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Cobra Make, Engine: LA Exotics
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VE4MM,
What's your address? 
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12-29-2008, 01:35 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Northport,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham, KMP178 / '66 GT350H, 4-speed
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
The cars are nice.........
And I have a lot of money too.
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That kind of boasting doesn't add to the thread.
Stay on the topic of the issue at hand and limit the crosstalk and bickering OK?
...or has all that needs to be said been said by now? 
thanks
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12-29-2008, 03:07 PM
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Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
And I have a lot of money too.
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Then you should of spent it on something better than an FFR.
Sorry Computerworks, I'll crawl back in to my hole now. 
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12-29-2008, 04:52 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Cobra Serial #1425, 2007 SHELBY MUSTANG GT500, 2000 Cobra R #15
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[quote=patrickt;908527]Then you should of spent it on something better than an FFR.
You too.
ERA is crap.
A fiberglass boat with wheels.
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12-28-2008, 07:28 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Winnipeg, MB,
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Cobra Make, Engine: FFR Cobra Serial #1425, 2007 SHELBY MUSTANG GT500, 2000 Cobra R #15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Stentor
If you've got such a beef with CS, why do you own a Cobra replica and a new Shelby Mustang? |
Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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12-28-2008, 07:46 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VE4MM
Got my cars before he turned into an a-hole.
Pretty Simple.
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What date was that? I may need to trade mine in for an older model.
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