Club Cobra Gas - N Exhaust  

Go Back   Club Cobra > Cobra Talk Areas > ALL COBRA TALK

Keith Craft Racing
Nevada Classics
MMG Superformance
Main Menu
Module Jump:
Nevada Classics
Nevada Classics
Keith Craft Racing
Advertise at CC
Banner Ad Rates
Keith Craft Racing
MMG Superformance
November 2025
S M T W T F S
            1
2 3 4 5 6 7 8
9 10 11 12 13 14 15
16 17 18 19 20 21 22
23 24 25 26 27 28 29
30            

Kirkham Motorsports

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 02:42 PM
coinop101's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Long Beach New York, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: 1985 Cobra 427
Posts: 47
Not Ranked     
Default 427 FE R.P.M. Range

Looking to set a RPM rev. limiter . I was told 6000 RPM was max ? What do you think .

Peter
Reply With Quote
  #2 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 03:25 PM
1985 CCX's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Manchester, NH
Cobra Make, Engine: AK1085 (302 Street), HTM111 (427 Comp), CSX2375R (289 Comp) and COB5999 (427 S/C)
Posts: 19,111
Not Ranked     
Default

I am not affiliated with these guys but they seem to keep it south of 5000rpm for the 427SO and 6000rpm for the 428.
http://www.proformanceunlimited.com/video.html

Scroll down for the FE's..

Last edited by 1985 CCX; 01-24-2009 at 03:28 PM..
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 04:06 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #570 w Shelby FE
Posts: 1,009
Not Ranked     
Default

Depends on how your engine is built, but 6000 is a good ball park range.

Normally you want the limiter to kick in around 200~300 RPM or so past the peak power point.
Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 04:12 PM
lovehamr's Avatar
Stolen Avitar
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Brunswick, GA
Cobra Make, Engine: BDR 1311 428PI
Posts: 3,044
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1985 CCX View Post
I am not affiliated with these guys but they seem to keep it south of 5000rpm for the 427SO and 6000rpm for the 428.
http://www.proformanceunlimited.com/video.html

Scroll down for the FE's..
That sounds bass ackwards. The 427 with it's shorter stroke and resultant lower piston speeds should stand much more RPM than the 428 with it's longer stroke.

Steve
Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 04:34 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Oakville, Ont
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 1
Not Ranked     
Default 427 questions

Hello all, newbie here. I just read this current post and had some questions about the 427's.
I have 2 427 blocks I need some help to identify.
One is a none side oiler with screw in core plugs, 66 427 cast into the bell housing area, a casting # on the pass. side of C6AE-B (the B is questionable),
a casting date of ?K21 and main caps with C3AE. The lifter galleries are not drilled.
The second is a side oiler with screw in core plugs, 66 427 in the bell housing area, no casting # on the pass. side (ribs in the casting, 5 to the front, 6 to the back), casting date of ?M11 and the lifter galleries are drilled.
I have 2 sets of heads that are C8AE-H castings.
2 C4AE
2 C7AE
I collected this stuff in order to build a BB Cobra. I have now decided to go the FI SB route so I want to sell this stuff off.
If I am in the wrong area, please direct me to the correct forum.
I also have a set of DOVE-A 429 heads if anyone is interested.
I am in Southern Ontario.
While I am here, I wanted to go Factory Five with my kit, pros and cons anyone?
Any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Dave
Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 04:34 PM
Silverback51's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Covington, wa
Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance # 532, 466 BB, 560HP
Posts: 3,029
Not Ranked     
Default

There is no one answer to that question.

The list of contributing factors could fill a page. Ask your engine builder to be sure.
Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 07:01 PM
patrickt's Avatar
Half-Ass Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA #732, 428FE (447 CID), TKO600, Solid Flat Tappet Cam, Tons of Aluminum
Posts: 22,025
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Silverback51 View Post
There is no one answer to that question.

The list of contributing factors could fill a page. Ask your engine builder to be sure.
Yep, your lifters for starters. Try dynoing your engine and see where your power starts dropping off. It might be earlier than you think.
Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 09:08 PM
Silverback51's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Covington, wa
Cobra Make, Engine: Superformance # 532, 466 BB, 560HP
Posts: 3,029
Not Ranked     
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt View Post
Yep, your lifters for starters. Try dynoing your engine and see where your power starts dropping off. It might be earlier than you think.
Yep, you can start with lifters and then there are the springs, retainers, the intake and exhaust system, the cam. And when it comes to the cam, how it was dialed in can make a difference.

The dyno is a good idea to see what you have. No sense in reving it to 6500 if power drops off at 5200.
Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)  
Old 01-24-2009, 10:13 PM
Fordzilla's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Avon, NY
Cobra Make, Engine: 1969 Mustang Fastback Pro-Street, constantly changing ongoing project!
Posts: 746
Not Ranked     
Default

Yes, All good info & I would add, no sense in spinning the motor more then you need to. Yes, Dyno it & know your power & torque ranges & then gear appropriately to your application & use those gears.
__________________
Mick
(Of The Troops & For The Troops)

Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well-preserved body; but rather a skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "WOW, WHAT A RIDE!"
Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2009, 06:39 AM
marcocsx3121's Avatar
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Jasper, GA, GA
Cobra Make, Engine: Owned CSX 3121 1969-1975. Went to the dark side and bought a 'Vette. May yet repent and be saved.
Posts: 657
Not Ranked     
Default

Not that it was recommended practice, but I saw 7000 rpm several times with the 427 top oiler in 3121.
Reply With Quote
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2009, 07:51 AM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Jersey Shore, pa
Cobra Make, Engine: ERA#209 427SC, red, 427 sideoiler
Posts: 35
Not Ranked     
Smile

I have a 427 sideoiler that was blueprinted and balanced and the rev limiter was set for 7000 RPM's. Several years ago I missed a shift and bent 2 pushrods and broke a rocker arm. I did not know where to go for the rockerarm or pushrods so I called Dove Engineering and they were able to get an exact replacement rockerarm and a spare. Also; new pushrods. The person I spoke to said I should set the REV limiter for 6000 RPM's. 7000 is too high.

I use 6000 RPM's now. Why take a chance!
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 01-25-2009, 09:31 PM
CC Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: TACOMA, WA
Cobra Make, Engine: Everett Morrision FE 427 so 2-4s
Posts: 2,025
Not Ranked     
Default

First of all a stock stroke on a 428 is 3.98" and in a 427 it is 3.78". All things being equal a 427 should rev a little higher than a 428. The biggest problem with original 427 was the factory rod bolts, ARP has fixed that. The lifter problem is the next to overcome. I once twisted a 406 up to 8400 RPM. That turned out to be an oiling problem. A sideoiler should not have the same problem. I was and am currently using shell solid lifters ,tubular pushrods. I'm using the Dove rocker system. The weight of the valves were once a big chalenge. I remember the use of hollow sodium filled valves to get the weight down and get dissapate heat. I remember a movie "REDLINE 7,000" I don't realy race my car and have the adjustable rev limitter set to 6,000 rpm. It gets to that rev limit in no time at all, usually surprising me. If I leave the rev limiter set at 6,000 rpm and the oil is warmed up I should be OK.
__________________
Mike H
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old 01-26-2009, 04:28 AM
Ron61's Avatar
Senior Club Cobra Member
Visit my Photo Gallery

 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Shasta Lake, CA
Cobra Make, Engine:
Posts: 26,612
Not Ranked     
Post

My bored and balanced 428 SCJ on the dyno peaked in power at 6300 RPM. I set the rev limiter at 6K as I am not going to be racing a 40 year old motor and the car is all original except the engine work. Very seldom wind it above 5500 when I have it out to blow it out as it sets in the garage 99% of the time.

Ron
__________________
Ron 61
Ronnie Widener


View my Miscellaneous Gallery
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 02:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.6.0
The representations expressed are the representations and opinions of the clubcobra.com forum members and do not necessarily reflect the opinions and viewpoints of the site owners, moderators, Shelby American, any other replica manufacturer, Ford Motor Company. This website has been planned and developed by clubcobra.com and its forum members and should not be construed as being endorsed by Ford Motor Company, or Shelby American or any other manufacturer unless expressly noted by that entity. "Cobra" and the Cobra logo are registered trademarks for Ford Motor Co., Inc. clubcobra.com forum members agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyrighted material is owned by you. Although we do not and cannot review the messages posted and are not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we reserve the right to delete any message for any reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s). Thank you for visiting clubcobra.com. For full policy documentation refer to the following link: CC Policy
Links monetized by VigLink