What is the best FORD engine per dollar

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by greg schroeder

So you're saying the lighter aluminum block, shaved FE might be around 50 lbs lighter than a heavier Windsor without weight saving components?

Yes, I think that sounds reasonable.

[RodKnock]

Uh, where's the factual data related to the weight reduction and handling improvement of an all aluminum 482 in your equation?

What's with the Jack Nicholson quote from "A Few Good Men"? Clint Eastwood from "Dirty Harry" said "A man's got to know his own limitations." Do you?

[Excaliber]

Man is that guy mentally challenged or what?

Now read this R E A L S L O W so your pea brain can grasp it.

FE is the best motor for a 427 body style Cobra.

That's my opinion, and it's starting to really piss me off that you keep referring to that opinion as FE-Tarded. Phuck you and stuff your 385 where the sun don't shine.

[DR 385]

Rodknock,

My role is not to antagonize you (That’s just a perk)
My goal is to ask (or force with humorous words if necessary) you and the other FE....guys to speak truthfully when answering a question. If you wish to interject opinion, fine so long as it’s clearly defined as such.

The question of the post still stands:
"If you were going to buy, or have one built, what type of FORD engine combo would produce the highest HP/TQ per dollar, all else being equal. Just curious"

Plain and simple, answered with fact.

It is difficult at best to quantify an “improvement in handling” in a street car, as a result of the reduced weight by using an Aluminum block. Is lighter better, in my opinion yes, I too believe that Aluminum blocks are worth the money. But again, that’s not the question of this post.

Stay with me now, I was using Mr. Nicholson’s line from that movie as an analogy (logical inference). That the people of this forum walls want me to keep them safe from the enemy(FEtards), those who would speak that which is not true.

Really? Come on! youre taking some of the fun out of my well thought-out, humorous use of that great writing!
Its like the “shorter rope” joke, everybody else got it!
Ill tell you what, before you ask me again, get the neighbor kid to explain this stuff to you. Honestly…
If I write slower it looks the same on the screen.

Limitations?
I haven’t found any, but ill keep looking.


Excalibur,
Wow! LOL.
Are you angry with me?
You need to watch that language buddy, your going get banned…
thats a big post count to have to start over..


Dr385

[DR 385]

I dont know why, but its funnier when he says "FE-tarded"



Dr385

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by DR 385

Rodknock,

My role is not to antagonize you (That’s just a perk)

Dr385

I didn't say that you antagonize ME. I have no issues with you trying to be funny. I'm actually laughing at the fact that you think what your writing is actually funny (it's not). The whole alter ego/persona/DR385 thing just begs the question if you need to seek psychological help.

You can't quantify a weight reduction and an improvement in handling? How about lateral G's and lbs? Please tell me if you were handed a road course to run around in and you have two cars that were/are equal, but one had an iron block 460/514 and the other with the all aluminum 427/482, which would you choose? I know which one I would choose and the resale would be better too.

I noticed for your calculations that you used the KC engine with the Shelby block at 19K versus using the KC engine with the Pond block for $17K. Why? Also, would you want a production iron 460 block or an aftermarket Pond or Shelby block? Scorpion rockers versus Erson shaft mount rockers? Etc., etc. Parts aren't always parts. The Pond/Shelby engine uses better quality parts, saves weight and will be worth more when you sell. More dollars at resale changes your $/HP question, because there is a certain segment of the Cobra buying public who will not purchase a Cobra with a 460 just based upon historical accuracy to the original.

I love how you use the word "truth" when in fact it is your opinion no matter what data you manipulate for your benefit.

[DR 385]

Rodknock,

Shoot! I tried!
It's not a surprise to any of us that it's not funny to you, I am mocking you for Pete’s sake.
What makes you think that DR385 is an alter ego? How long have you perceived that the reality you are experiencing isn’t the reality you know? Hmmm, let expand on that.
So what you see isn’t real, but what you KNOW is real. Hmmmm
Hold on, I’m changing my diagnosis.
Can you say “Psychosis”

We also need to work on your reading comprehension.
I give you partial credit, you tried (unsuccessfully) to read my response.
And in typical “FE”TARD fashion you tried to change the topic again to suit you, but I will soldier through.
I included the Shelby based motor as a courtesy to you, and point of cost reference seeing as you have one.
Listen closely,
Engine for engine, the FE does not, will not, can not compare to a Windsor or a 385 series engine.
Back to the topic of the post, Both Windsor’s and 385 series engines will make the same power as an FE at less cost
Or more power at the same cost

If you wish to compare engines, set a power goal and calculate the cost to achieve it.
Or set a dollar cap and let’s determine which engine family can make more power?
It’s interesting to me how quickly you are willing to compare your $19000.00 pile of alum Feces, to an iron block 385 on a road course. Why is that?
You do know that the make alum 385 blocks. An aluminum 385 series of substantially lower cost will make much more power (remember the original post) at near the same weight, this is speculation as I don’t have weight data.

Yes, shamefully true, people whom speak to you and the other FETARDS will be under the misguided impression that the FE is the “Best Ford engine per dollar”

I manipulated data?
Oh Please tell the good readers where and when, so I can correct it and make a public apology.
“He-He’s lying !! Its not true!! FEs ARE BETTER!! I swear!!”

Dr385

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by DR 385

Rodknock,

Shoot! I tried!
It's not a surprise to any of us that it's not funny to you, I am mocking you for Pete’s sake.
What makes you think that DR385 is an alter ego? How long have you perceived that the reality you are experiencing isn’t the reality you know? Hmmm, let expand on that.
So what you see isn’t real, but what you KNOW is real. Hmmmm
Hold on, I’m changing my diagnosis.
Can you say “Psychosis”

We also need to work on your reading comprehension.
I give you partial credit, you tried (unsuccessfully) to read my response.
And in typical “FE”TARD fashion you tried to change the topic again to suit you, but I will soldier through.
I included the Shelby based motor as a courtesy to you, and point of cost reference seeing as you have one.
Listen closely,
Engine for engine, the FE does not, will not, can not compare to a Windsor or a 385 series engine.
Back to the topic of the post, Both Windsor’s and 385 series engines will make the same power as an FE at less cost
Or more power at the same cost

If you wish to compare engines, set a power goal and calculate the cost to achieve it.
Or set a dollar cap and let’s determine which engine family can make more power?
It’s interesting to me how quickly you are willing to compare your $19000.00 pile of alum Feces, to an iron block 385 on a road course. Why is that?
You do know that the make alum 385 blocks. An aluminum 385 series of substantially lower cost will make much more power (remember the original post) at near the same weight, this is speculation as I don’t have weight data.

Yes, shamefully true, people whom speak to you and the other FETARDS will be under the misguided impression that the FE is the “Best Ford engine per dollar”

I manipulated data?
Oh Please tell the good readers where and when, so I can correct it and make a public apology.
“He-He’s lying !! Its not true!! FEs ARE BETTER!! I swear!!”

Dr385

Who makes a 385 series aluminum block? I have looked but all I can find are dry race blocks.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I didn't say that you antagonize ME. I have no issues with you trying to be funny. I'm actually laughing at the fact that you think what your writing is actually funny (it's not).

Rod,

Not only does he think his posts have humor, but he decides for himself that "everybody else got it!". Everyone got it, but they didn't get what you thought they got.

There are no fast 385's at any track event (road course) that I ever been to, and if there was, they ate a set of tires. Any serious SPF driver would never have a 385 in their Cobra, but Doc you can call Dennis Olthoff and ask him, unless you know something about racing on a road course that Dennis doesn't know. But then again you haven't said what your car number is, or what your knowledge base is.

No one would buy an 460 aluminum block (wet or dry) and slug it into a Cobra when you can buy an aluminum FE block.

E

[RodKnock]

Eric, the Doc is obviously covering up for some feelings of inadequacy. It seems obvious to me that his aggressive behavior here has shown that, if he had the few extra dollars for an FE, he would have bought one.

Call it "FE-Envy".

Now along with these feelings of inadequacy that the Doc has, if you look at the only picture in his gallery (no pics of his alleged Cobra), it would appear to me that he has some latent homesexual tendencies.

Now back on topic. Here's a link to one of Barry R's many Engine Masters entries. I believe this one was from 2005-2006. Now, the engine cost was not disclosed, but the article is entitled Blue Collar Blue Oval. He made 752 HP with many off the shelf FE parts. Barry has consistently won with FE's. He's now building a SOHC engine for the latest challenge.

http://www.survivalmotorsports.com/FE_EMC_article.html

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by Great Asp

No one would buy an 460 aluminum block (wet or dry) and slug it into a Cobra when you can buy an aluminum FE block.

E

Sorry, but you are wrong.

I was never a fan of the FE series of engines, and I personally would never buy one, be it cast iron or aluminum. Since I do however like big blocks, that left me with one choice, and that was the 385 series. This is my first Ford performance engine and I'm very pleased with what I have.

For those that have choosen the FE series and are happy with their choice, I'm happy for them also. It just was not the choice for me.

[JWilly]

Ernie is back...I was getting concerned. Whew!

[Got the Bug]

OK. Here's a challenge. Don't post any additional response to "Dr. Demento's" posts.

You guys are feeding the monster. Feed away, if you enjoy the banter.

[Great Asp]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

OK. Here's a challenge. Don't post any additional response to "Dr. Demento's" posts.

You guys are feeding the monster. Feed away, if you enjoy the banter.

I'm sorry, did you just post?

E

[Dwight]

What was the topic of this thread???????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????

Dwight

[lovehamr]

Works for me Dave!

[scottj]

Nope, that doesn't work. The title is just a hook to get you to read the thread. The question asked in the thread supersedes the title through elaboration. Please... let's not derail this thread by allowing everyone to be "right". This thread has been more entertaining than than anything on here in about 7-8 years.

[67FEfastback]

Actually, hands down, probably the best Ford engine for the $ is the Romeo engine.

It's modern, high powered (depending how you outfit it and what version you use) and much more economical fuel wise

You can get a smashed up cobra or mustang engine for cheap from a wrecker.

A little electronic wizardry and voila!


I haven't seen one in a cobra, and dunno what it would look like, but certainly not any uglier than a 385 series.

385s always remind me of a dodge 440 or RB block, schmugly

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by 67FEfastback

Actually, hands down, probably the best Ford engine for the $ is the Romeo engine.

Ahh, the Romeo engine, "stabbed with a white wrench’s black eye." Get it? C'mon, any english majors out there?

[DR 385]

The DR is in…

Mr. John Hall,

Alum 385 blocks are available from C&C Motor-sports with either wet or dry oiling provisions.

http://www.candcmotorsports.com/

The most common is the RDI (Roberts design) block that was listed in the Ford Motor-sports catalogue. If memory serves me, the part# was M6010-A96
Commonly referred to as an "A96" block.
There are several manufactures, with many possible configurations.(i.e. different deck heights, bore spacing, mag. drives etc).
I can give you as much detail information as you would like, I currently have two.

Great Asp-hole,

I am funny, ask me, Ill tell you.
I must say, your logic, or lack of it, does make me laugh.
"There are no fast 385s at the track, but if there was(?), they ate a set of tires" LOL really?
"Any serious SPF driver would never have a 385 in their Cobra"
Hmmm yes, I see.
So the only REAL Cobra owners are the ones with "FEs" under the hoods.

Please rest assured, All of us, the lesser Cobra owners, understand your position. You and your “FE”traded brethren, make it crystal clear, that you feel you are better than us. It doesn’t matter to you, how much effort, thought, blood or sweat we apply to our cars, yours is better.
We understand.
The problem with the Narcissistic perception that you are all-seeing and all knowing, (like all FETARDS feel they are) is that you can’t possible be.
You go on to say, “You can call Dennis Olthoff and ask him”
I would say, before you a spew “Fe”cal matter again, you should call Mr. Olthoff and ask him if he or his Father have installed Aluminum 385 engines in Cobras.
While you’re on the phone, ask Mr. Olthoff what the performance potential of that combination could be. It should be an enlightening conversation for you.


I will repeat my original diagnosis. Your disability makes it impossible for you to accept an answer other than “FE”.

Rodknock,

It is disheartening that you feel there the measure of a person adequacy is the dollars they can spend. You go on to say that any one that doesn’t have pockets as deep as yours, envies you. Wow, that is a pathetic and shallow view of the people whom share a common interest in these cars. Thank you for letting us know how you really feel.
LOL, I am completely comfortable in my sexuality, A picture of the Oral treatment for the condition you suffer from (a butt plug) does not make me scream “He’s gay!!” LOL. WOW, really, how old are you? If I am, does that make me even lower?
I am not surprised at your reaction, I would expect it from a closed-minded, anal-retentive, elitist like yourself.

Unfortunately, I was late today and Mr. Hall had the pleasure of correcting your in you blatant attempt at misinformation.

I have the utmost respect for Mr. Rabotnick and his efforts. Knowing that he can’t ever win, he uses the EMC as an advertising tool. I applaud his creative use of the print exposure. He could NEVER afford to buy that much ad space, for the cost of the entry fee. Then turn around and sell the engine (with its printed provenance) to a FEtard like you.
Again, Bravo Mr. Rabotnick.

That you know so little is clearly evident.


Dr385