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07-04-2009, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Power Surge
When I was in high school, my buddy had a T-bucket with a 600hp small block Chevy in it.
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Unless you just graduated from high school this year and your friend was running a stroked, supercharged, nitrous added small block, I'm calling MAJOR BULLSH!T on that story. I've been building SB Chevy's for over 40 years and 600 HP with todays technology is barely possible but to do this years ago is an absolute crock of sh!t.
To those challenging Mr.Bruce, you may want to check his resume' before you let your alligator mouth write checks your hummingbird azz can't cash. He's been here over 10 years with 1800 posts and actually BUILDS cars, not buys rollers and thinks he's hot sh!t. Can you say that with your 2 years and 800 posts? I didn't think so.
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07-04-2009, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by jwd
Unless you just graduated from high school this year and your friend was running a stroked, supercharged, nitrous added small block, I'm calling MAJOR BULLSH!T on that story. I've been building SB Chevy's for over 40 years and 600 HP with todays technology is barely possible but to do this years ago is an absolute crock of sh!t.

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Just as a point of interest, SBC's can be had at 454 cubic inches and 620 or so HP on pump gas. 427 SBC's in drag trim (13.5:1) at 650HP.
I agree about the speed controversy of the two cars in the day.
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07-04-2009, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas
Just as a point of interest, SBC's can be had at 454 cubic inches and 620 or so HP on pump gas. 427 SBC's in drag trim (13.5:1) at 650HP.
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I agree, HOWEVER, 454 CI. small blocks haven't been around very long. Until recently, 383 was the best you could do. I'm new to Fords but I know SBC's and BBC's like the back of my hand so don't try to BS me. Like I said, I've been building them for years.
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07-04-2009, 07:37 PM
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I agree, HOWEVER, 454 CI. small blocks haven't been around very long. Until recently, 383 was the best you could do. I'm new to Fords but I know SBC's and BBC's like the back of my hand so don't try to BS me. Like I said, I've been building them for years.
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Lose the attitude ass clown.
Mitchell was casting the World block to handle those strokes in the early 90's and so was Maskin at Dart. Ronnie Shaver and Shafiroff's been building them as long also, amongst others.
Nobody's built or been buying 383's except entry-level circle guys for a decade and clowns with lowered Monte Carlos. Has that been your clientele "for 40 years"?
Really bad form to hammer Sal and I with your self-perceived authority on a light discussion forum. Your memory and manners, probably like your building skills, needs updating. Brent has a sticky thread called "Respect, respect, respect".:
Respect, Respect, Respect!!!
I posted it here certain you wouldn't look for it.
When you wake up, your clothes may be back in style.
No    faces.
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07-04-2009, 08:30 PM
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Lose the attitude ass clown.
Brent has a sticky thread called "Respect, respect, respect".:
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Then I suppose you should re-read it as well.
I very familiar with the Motown & Warhawk blocks but since Sal was referring to a friend with a "T-Bucket" and nobody has built one of those in the last 30 years, I was assuming he was talking about a small block from Chevrolet since at that time, it was the only source. My mistake. As far as his "tuning abilities", go the the Lightning forum and find out the truth before you start flapping your jaws.
Sorry if I offended anyone, just tired of know-it-alls that have mouths that are faster than their cars and have never actually built anything more than a model car as a child. Like I said before, if your resume' stacks up against mr. bruce, fine. If not, STFU. He has built many cars and motors, unlike the majority here.
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07-04-2009, 09:10 PM
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Sorry if I offended anyone, just tired of know-it-alls that have mouths that are faster than their cars and have never actually built anything more than a model car as a child. Like I said before, if your resume' stacks up against mr. bruce, fine. If not, STFU. He has built many cars and motors, unlike the majority here.
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First of all, you were the first "know it all" to stick your two cents in by rudely commenting on my friend's big power small block. Instead of assuming you know it all, and coming of that way, maybe you could have politely asked what his combo was, before coming off like an asshat.
Second of all, I don't believe that anyone here, including myself, was knocking anything that Mr.Bruce does. We are all well aware of his awesome talents and despite sometimes posting brand X vehicles, I think we all look forward to seeing his creations.
There's nothing wrong with questioning a little history that just doesn't make sense. People have done it for decades. We STILL do it when it comes to certain things about Cobras.
Also, I am not sure why you felt the need to personally attack me, but if it makes you feel like more of a man, then I guess you can congradulate yourself.
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07-04-2009, 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by jwd
Unless you just graduated from high school this year and your friend was running a stroked, supercharged, nitrous added small block, I'm calling MAJOR BULLSH!T on that story. I've been building SB Chevy's for over 40 years and 600 HP with todays technology is barely possible but to do this years ago is an absolute crock of sh!t.

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His SBC was 434 inches, 14:1 CR, and used some weird heads with BBC ports (I'm not a Chevy guy, so don't remember the exact head). I witnessed it make just a tad over 600hp on the engine dyno when it was built. If you don't believe that, maybe you just need to get better at building motors. Hell, Jeff Lawrence was getting 600 hp out of Chevy V6s for Vinny Barone's Super Comp motors.
As for challenging Mr.Bruce, how about this..... Why don't YOU contract him to build a Cheetah that does 215 mph, and prove us all wrong. If one can do it back in the 60s, think of how fast of a Cheetah you can build with today's technology. Gotta be a 300 mph car at least.
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07-04-2009, 06:34 PM
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His SBC was 434 inches, 14:1 CR, and used some weird heads with BBC ports (I'm not a Chevy guy, so don't remember the exact head). I witnessed it make just a tad over 600hp on the engine dyno when it was built. If you don't believe that, maybe you just need to get better at building motors. Hell, Jeff Lawrence was getting 600 hp out of Chevy V6s for Vinny Barone's Super Comp motors.
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And what year was this? Stroker small blocks to that displacement haven't been around all that long. V-6 SuperComp motors are an equal comparism. Why not include AA/Fuel motors as well.
As to your comment on building motors, you should go back to the Lightning forum where you're well known as the Italian bafoon that can tune a motor to blow up faster than anyone in the world. Your reputation is well known, and laughed at.
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07-04-2009, 06:42 PM
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And what year was this? Stroker small blocks to that displacement haven't been around all that long. V-6 SuperComp motors are an equal comparism. Why not include AA/Fuel motors as well.
As to your comment on building motors, you should go back to the Lightning forum where you're well known as the Italian bafoon that can tune a motor to blow up faster than anyone in the world. Your reputation is well known, and laughed at.
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This would have been in the early 90s. Big stroke small blocks have been around plenty long.
As for the Lightning comment, you must be confusing me with some other vendors, since I had the lowest rate of "blown motors" (can count them on one hand in the 10+ years of tuning) among all of my competition. Either that, or you're just reading some over-exaggerated cheerleader for another vendors posts.
Either way, it doesn't matter to me. If you don't want to believe a 600hp small block in the early 90s, that's your problem.
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07-04-2009, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Power Surge
As for the Lightning comment, you must be confusing me with some other vendors, since I had the lowest rate of "blown motors" (can count them on one hand in the 10+ years of tuning) among all of my competition. Either that, or you're just reading some over-exaggerated cheerleader for another vendors posts.
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Nope. Have several friends with Lightnings. Your tuning abilities are well known.    He11, after listening to them, I wouldn't let you tune my lawn mower.
I copied this post and sent it to them. I can't wait to hear what they say about the "Fat Italian".   
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07-05-2009, 05:47 AM
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Hate to chime in on this going down in flames thread - but I have a Lightning with a pulley and tune by Sal, specifically because of his reputation on the Lightning and F-150 forums. I think you must have him confused with one of the other tuners - at least one of which I can think of that has such a reputation.
This doesn't sound like the former firm/person your describing in the Lightning community. http://www.f150online.com/forums/lig...-10-years.html
You really need to take a break and lay off the insults.
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07-05-2009, 06:29 AM
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Hey Bruce....
Are ya feeling the love?
Like how yer conversation on this brilliant car turned into a pissing match between a few???
Anyhoo...I guess yer one up on most guys in this thread actually having road raced that thang. Would love to get back to Beaverun at some point. I'd love to take that Cheetah thru turns 5,6,7 there. Laying low this year, we're planning a move to NC in a year or so.
Do you still have that Trans Am Daytona I got you the race tires for? That was a cool ride too.
Hope all is well.
JM
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