Continuing saga for Roush 511

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by Mulv

I will say once again that there is no way on earth I would ever buy anything from these guys at Roush and for two reasons. First, for the kind of money you have in these engines, you should have twice as much horsepower and second, if you are going to charge double what something is worth then at least be prepared to get it right when something goes wrong.... I am also dubious that your repair guys know what is up here - that is probably because every 32 Ford has a Chevy engine and I'll bet they are probably experts on those..

Come on, that's just nonsense and you know it. Roush charges a premium, but you're not paying double what a top crate motor builder is charging. Just not true.

[Mulv]

Originally Posted by Got the Bug

Come on, that's just nonsense and you know it. Roush charges a premium, but you're not paying double what a top crate motor builder is charging. Just not true.

Really? I have a GT40 crate motor in my Mustang that with minor mods make about 400-425 hp depending on the dyno and it cost about $5500- to get it to the drop in to the car stage. A Roush 327 that makes 350 HP costs more than 10 grand... now what isn't true? 550 HP from a big block is how much? $42K? I doubt it... if it is 20 it is too much... here is a 521 from Ford that makes big power and costs less than $10K.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Racing/39...521FT/10002/-1


Think the pulleys, alternator and carb cost $30K? Even the fuel injection can be had for about $7K.. here , have another KoolAid...

Oh yeah and these engines work and have a guarantee that will be honoured....

[Got the Bug]

Originally Posted by Mulv

Really? I have a GT40 crate motor in my Mustang that with minor mods make about 400-425 hp depending on the dyno and it cost about $5500- to get it to the drop in to the car stage. A Roush 327 that makes 350 HP costs more than 10 grand... now what isn't true? 550 HP from a big block is how much? $42K? I doubt it... if it is 20 it is too much... here is a 521 from Ford that makes big power and costs less than $10K.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Racing/39...521FT/10002/-1


Think the pulleys, alternator and carb cost $30K? Even the fuel injection can be had for about $7K.. here , have another KoolAid...

Oh yeah and these engines work and have a guarantee that will be honoured....

A Ford Racing engine similar to a Roush 327 will run you $7,500, and comparable Keith Craft engine is in that range as well. So not double on that comparison.

On the 511, if you say that the Ford crate needs nothing more that a $7K FI system, then you got me. Hey, I didn't drink the Kool-aid on that one.

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by Mulv

550 HP from a big block is how much? $42K? I doubt it... if it is 20 it is too much... here is a 521 from Ford that makes big power and costs less than $10K.

http://www.jegs.com/i/Ford+Racing/39...521FT/10002/-1


Think the pulleys, alternator and carb cost $30K? Even the fuel injection can be had for about $7K.. here , have another KoolAid...

Oh yeah and these engines work and have a guarantee that will be honoured....

I am certainly not sticking up for Roush....but let's keep our facts straight. The 521 ci motor from Ford to which you referred is a carbureted 385-series-based motor--not a stack fuel-injected FE (which is what CSX4910's motor is). Furthermore, I believe the 511 Roush FE makes 600 HP, not 550 HP.

Roush does charge a premium for their motors--the price of their 511 IR FE is probably roughly $10k above what you would pay to a reputable FE builder (e.g., Keith Craft) for a similarly equipped engine. And yes, you could get more HP from one of the other builders from a similar engine.

In any event, what these guys are experiencing with their Roush motors sucks--as I've said before. And Roush needs to make things right.

[Car Nut]

I'm not trying to stir this thread up anymore but, another thought on the starter eating issue. Previous posts hinted Roush made the suggestion one brand fit better than the Lakewood unit.

Lakewood recommends checking the alignment (runout on the hole for the transmission) due to manufacturing tolerances and offers offset dowels for ensuring alignment.

It might a contributing problem to starter misalignment (not indexed properly to crank center). And again it might not.

[csx4910]

As it turns out Roush sent a Quicktime Bellhousing in the overnight package so we are going to put that one on e with the new starter and flyweel. Other than missing the shim/spacer needed for the Qucktime to line up, I was pleasantly suprised Roush sent that along as well.
Ron

[Car Nut]

Really cool.

As most of these SFI bell housing are fully enclosed, you can bolt on the flywheel, the housing and starter, with out the clutch. You then check the starter drive to verify it has lots of clearance.

Just a thought. Might be worth passing along.

I think its great Roush has fnally stepped up on this thing. I don't know what the relationship with the shop, Roush and the old shop is or was so I won't comment.

I am glad you have the right stuff to get your car together.

[csx4910]

An update. I believe we finally might have some resolution. It turns out Roush wasn't planning on giving us the new bellhousing without charging me for it so I declined to go that route. I am not paying anything else at this point. On a good note, when the new flywheel showed up, there were definite changes in the new flywheel vs the old one. Same manufacturer, same part number, everything and even Roush didnt know that the manufacturer(Mcleod I believe) has changed the shape of the teeth. According to the shop, hand turning the old one was still binding but hand turning the new one seems to be moving freely. The shop took pics to send to Roush and we are shipping the old flywheel back to them so they can follow up with the manufacturer. With any luck I might finally have my car back early next week.
Ron