Which Presidential Candidate Do you Match With

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by DWRAT

Doesn't Sanders say he's a socialist?
Why in America would you or I want a socialist to run our country.
What I'm I missing? (on this topic only please)

The US is already a socialist country.

Socialism (n) – A political theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

"We also use things every day that are for public use. Things that, if certain corporate bullies had their way, would make for-profit. Basic things that we need to get around and survive. Things like roads, bridges, dams, traffic lights, and public emergency services. Not to forget public schools that educate our future generations, and hospitals that are always there when we need them most.

Socialism saved the country when faced with the Great Depression, but it was called the “New Deal,” because even then “Socialism” was a naughty word. How did Socialism save the nation? Through over 30,000 public works programs that were sponsored by the government. Not unlike when President Obama launched his stimulus package which jump started the economy again after Wall Street decided to play casino and flushed the nation’s economy down the toilet. A stimulus package that, to be honest, wasn’t big enough.

More Socialism? Social Security. You know, that thing Republicans want to privatize and hand over to Wall Street, because they’re so good with money (sarcasm). Social Security is solvent and paid for separately. It will be there for everyone when they become of eligible age, and will prevent the elderly who worked hard all their life from slipping through the cracks into poverty. Social Security would be solvent forever if we raised or eliminated the salary cap, which is currently very low to favor the wealthy who only pay a fraction of their income, as compared to middle and working class Americans who pay on all of their income.

Even Republicans have to admit they love the military, right? Of course they do! However, you know what the military is? The ultimate example of Socialism. EVERY aspect – from recruitment, to training, to deployment, to benefits, to home loans, to the VA is PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT. Yep, that’s pretty darn socialist — and we like it that way. Imagine if we privatized our military? Yeah, don’t. It’d be ugly.

You know who else loves Socialism even though they’ll tell you they hate it? Corporations? They receive grants, tax credits, breaks, etc. etc. etc. all at the hands of tax payer dollars. They even rely on tax dollars to pay for Medicaid and Food Stamps when they don’t want to pay their employees enough to survive. They say they hate it, but they L-O-V-E it, very much.

Basically, Socialism for the rich is cool, as long as you don’t call it Socialism, but social programs for anyone else is obviously the devil’s work. So says Fox News, so it is written. Amen."

Addicting Info – Big Bad Socialism? The U.S. Is Already A Socialist Nation – And Conservatives Love It (VIDEO)

4:10 video: 5 Ways America Is Already Socialist https://www.facebook.com/ajplusengli...8700563604788/

[DrivinWest]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

The US is already a socialist country.

Whoa, whoa cycleguy... There's no sense in bringing facts into DWRAT's misconception.

[Tim7139]

Originally Posted by cycleguy55

The US is already a socialist country.

Socialism (n) – A political theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

"We also use things every day that are for public use. Things that, if certain corporate bullies had their way, would make for-profit. Basic things that we need to get around and survive. Things like roads, bridges, dams, traffic lights, and public emergency services. Not to forget public schools that educate our future generations, and hospitals that are always there when we need them most.

Socialism saved the country when faced with the Great Depression, but it was called the “New Deal,” because even then “Socialism” was a naughty word. How did Socialism save the nation? Through over 30,000 public works programs that were sponsored by the government. Not unlike when President Obama launched his stimulus package which jump started the economy again after Wall Street decided to play casino and flushed the nation’s economy down the toilet. A stimulus package that, to be honest, wasn’t big enough.

More Socialism? Social Security. You know, that thing Republicans want to privatize and hand over to Wall Street, because they’re so good with money (sarcasm). Social Security is solvent and paid for separately. It will be there for everyone when they become of eligible age, and will prevent the elderly who worked hard all their life from slipping through the cracks into poverty. Social Security would be solvent forever if we raised or eliminated the salary cap, which is currently very low to favor the wealthy who only pay a fraction of their income, as compared to middle and working class Americans who pay on all of their income.

Even Republicans have to admit they love the military, right? Of course they do! However, you know what the military is? The ultimate example of Socialism. EVERY aspect – from recruitment, to training, to deployment, to benefits, to home loans, to the VA is PAID FOR BY THE GOVERNMENT. Yep, that’s pretty darn socialist — and we like it that way. Imagine if we privatized our military? Yeah, don’t. It’d be ugly.

You know who else loves Socialism even though they’ll tell you they hate it? Corporations? They receive grants, tax credits, breaks, etc. etc. etc. all at the hands of tax payer dollars. They even rely on tax dollars to pay for Medicaid and Food Stamps when they don’t want to pay their employees enough to survive. They say they hate it, but they L-O-V-E it, very much.

Basically, Socialism for the rich is cool, as long as you don’t call it Socialism, but social programs for anyone else is obviously the devil’s work. So says Fox News, so it is written. Amen."

Addicting Info – Big Bad Socialism? The U.S. Is Already A Socialist Nation – And Conservatives Love It (VIDEO)

4:10 video: 5 Ways America Is Already Socialist https://www.facebook.com/ajplusengli...8700563604788/

Perhaps less time on facebook, more time with real books. Perhaps Economics 101 for a prudent start. Eh?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Tim7139

Perhaps less time on facebook, more time with real books. Perhaps Economics 101 for a prudent start. Eh?

I took Economics - and scored well. I've also spent many years in the 'C' suite with an IBM subsidiary, so I've been around the block a few times.

EDIT: I forgot to mention I also spent 6 years on the Board of the local Chamber of Commerce.

Perhaps less ideology and more pragmatism, eh?

[legenmetals]

I could cut and paste all night, but I won't.


50 Things Barack Obama Has Done Wrong - John Hawkins - Page full

10 Ways Obama Has Failed as President

The President Who Has Done the Most Damage | National Review Online

President Obama's Broken Promises - Discover the Networks

[Joe's Garage]

The problem with Obama is that his IQ is a good bit higher than the average politician. That clown Trump has at least one thing right, on the whole our congress is made up of idiots. When a "black man" as educated as Obama is, can articulate thoughts as only Obama can, in a vocabulary his constituents wish they had, then you know all hell is going to break lose. What was he thinking, use facts and not politically spun lies to implement positive change? - that's just plain wrong. Sure doesn't sit well with the ignorant "white man's view" of the world does it. What we really have are closet bigots hell bent on stopping progress when the idea comes from a black man. When all is said and done, Obama will go down in history as making tough landmark decisions that advanced mankind in spite of the most dysfunctional congress this country has ever known.

[Danr55]

Hey Joe, What about the Iran Nuclear Treaty has Obama said that is right for America or right for the world? Didn't Obama say, "If it gets ugly, I'll stand with Islam"? Well, if something isn't done to preclude the Iran Nuclear Treaty from coming to fruition, it will get very ugly. Obama in history will be shown for exactly what he is....and that has nothing to do with advancing any cause except that of the muslim brotherhood who he has managed to infiltrate into every crevice, crack and cranny of our society.. I will admit he is articulate and well spoken.. now if he would only tell the truth... !

[Danr55]

Look at his record in Iraq. He pulled the US Military out without any agreement to support the predominately Sunni Government. He has sided against the predominately Sunni Saudi Government. When Egypt dumped the Muslim Brotherhood he turned his back and began courting Iran, who in case you didn't notice is Shiite...(to the point of executing as heritics many Bahai and no mulsimw..especially Christian Armenians among whom I had many friends.) He backed Assad and Hezbolah and crapped on Israel (who again, if you haven't noticed is the only democracy in that part of the world and has always support every president until Obummer.._) Now you can poo poo this all you want, and you can stick your head in the sand and pretend it isn't so. ...but having spent many many years living in that part of the world, I can tell you for a fact, that is so.. and if you didn't pick up on any of his declarations in any of his books, then explaining it to you by quoting chapter and verse will only serve to confuse you... There endith the lesson.. Nope.. one more thing.. I am not necessairily a Republican. I am first and foremost an American, a veteran and well educated. I will vote for and support whomever lends themselve to the best ideals of and support for the US Constitution. This document is the only thing that stands now as it has for generations as the pillar of individual freedom and national security. I took an oath once upon a time to protect and defend agaisnt all enemies foriegn and domestic. Just because my tour is over, I do not consider myself released from that oath. I will still stand and defend if necessary....and if you look around, you will find that that attitude is starting to show up in lots of people who recognize the threats for who and what they are and from whence they come.

[DrivinWest]

Originally Posted by Danr55

Look at his record in Iraq. He pulled the US Military out...

“I remind everybody that us leaving at the end of 2011 was negotiated in 2008 by the Bush administration. That was always the plan, we had promised them that we would respect their sovereignty.” - U.S. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Raymond Odierno, August 12th, 2015.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by DrivinWest

“I remind everybody that us leaving at the end of 2011 was negotiated in 2008 by the Bush administration. That was always the plan, we had promised them that we would respect their sovereignty.” - U.S. Army Chief of Staff Gen. Raymond Odierno, August 12th, 2015.

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence." - John Adams

Thank you. I was going to point that out, but I was having such a good time with all the nonsense being said in this thread. Why you "hushing my buzz"?

[Danr55]

I'll make you a deal. You stay in Canada and keep your politics up there and I'll stay in the US.and not.try.to.speak French. Sound fair?

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Danr55

I'll make you a deal. You stay in Canada and keep your politics up there and I'll stay in the US.and not.try.to.speak French. Sound fair?

I don't speak French and often travel to the U.S. - and I don't plan on changing either.

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by Danr55

I'll make you a deal. You stay in Canada and keep your politics up there and I'll stay in the US.and not.try.to.speak French. Sound fair?

I'm even further away so I better keep my mouth shut. It's not worth it for guys who would otherwise get along fine to go at each other over politicians. They're in it for themselves and don't give a royal rat's arse about you and me. Probably why it's best to stick to arguing about Cobras. REal or replica anyone?

[Karl Bebout]

" Probably why it's best to stick to arguing about Cobras. REal or replica anyone?

Buzz, where in the hell is St. Lucia, West Indies? There's something making you sensible and right on the mark. Your thoughts are the same as I brought up 'way back in about the 13th post. I, personally don't like B.O. did not vote for him, and don't see that he's done anything constructive for our country. That being said, we all have opinions, and no one on this forum is going to change anyone's opinion, so lets just go back to our good natured harassment of our friends, technical help, and sharing our trials and tribulations we have with our beloved common hobby. OK, I'm off the soapbox now.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by Karl Bebout

" Probably why it's best to stick to arguing about Cobras. REal or replica anyone?

Buzz, where in the hell is St. Lucia, West Indies? There's something making you sensible and right on the mark. Your thoughts are the same as I brought up 'way back in about the 13th post. I, personally don't like B.O. did not vote for him, and don't see that he's done anything constructive for our country. That being said, we all have opinions, and no one on this forum is going to change anyone's opinion, so lets just go back to our good natured harassment of our friends, technical help, and sharing our trials and tribulations we have with our beloved common hobby. OK, I'm off the soapbox now.

I've been to St. Lucia - wonderful island with lots of twists, turns and elevation changes in the roads. You have to be real careful when crossing the street there, as they drive on the wrong side of the road like the Brits and the Aussies. It was our favourite island until we visited Barbados.

Interesting tidbit: A few decades ago St. Lucia was a favourite vacation destination of Pierre Trudeau, former Prime Minister of Canada.

[Buzz]

Yes - its a nice little place that comes with all of the pros and cons of living on a small Caribbean island. Its not for everyone, but I love the life here. The individual islands are generally small, but if you like the sea and enjoy boating there's lots to see and do between all of the many islands, each a bit unique and different from one another.
Trudeau was a regular here when I was a kid and quite a few US presidents have vacationed here over the years. I even got to startle Slick Willie Clinton with the Cobra a few years ago blasting by the golf course near my home. Interrupted his shot and got the attention of his secret service detail

[Car Nut]

Another thread ruined by another liberal troll. Sorry, I'm keeping my guns, hate liberal politics and really tire of the smarter than you crap who continue to quote their biased liberal manual. Don't bother posting up how I am disillusioned, uninformed and not worthy of my conservativeness, I am done with this thread.

BTW, Obama is a racist.

[RodKnock]

The political views of Cobra owners. I'm guessing this thread would take a different direction on the Nissan Leaf Owners New York Region Forum.

I love this thread. Very entertaining. Please keep posting.

[cycleguy55]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

The political views of Cobra owners. I'm guessing this thread would take a different direction on the Nissan Leaf Owners New York Region Forum.

Yes, I'm guessing it would!

Here's an interesting little piece titled: "Why Can't We All Just Get Along?" (Why Can't We All Just Get Along?). It explores the fundamental divide between conservatives and liberals, and the underlying reasons for that divide.

"Studies have shown that liberals tend to care only about harm and fairness when considering whether something is moral or not, said Peter Ditto, a professor of psychology and social behavior at the University of California, Irvine, who is involved with Haidt's research. In contrast, conservatives have a more traditional moral structure, and tend to care about all five morality factors, he said.

"So that's where a lot of the problems come in, is that the things that really bother conservatives don’t bother liberals very much," Ditto said. "And the two groups don't understand each other's morality very well.

Take gay marriage, for example: "From a liberal standpoint, gay marriage isn't a problem, it doesn’t harm anybody, and it's only fair that gay people be allowed to be married just like straight people can," Ditto said.

But for conservatives, gay marriage goes against the traditional idea of marriage, and so presents a real moral problem."

The article goes on to explain 'biased perception of facts' and how 'simple notions of "right" and "wrong" are judged based on altered realities by both parties.'

IMO it's an interesting and insightful article that's worth a look. It doesn't take much time to read - though it will take a little longer for those who can't read without moving their lips.

[Bob Broberg SPF667 460BB]

I appreciate the fact that all parties here have not resorted to name calling or foul language. There will always be a gap between us but this is the Arizona Cobras forum, so why so much attention from a Canadian who has no vote in our politics?

AZ Bob