Why aren't all questions this easy to answer?

[SandyC]

I have my car in the shop for a general look-over and Charlie says to me on the phone, "I had your engine on the computer and found that with the throttle to the floor you're only getting about 80% throttle, would you like me to fix that? It should get you another 75 to 100 hp and take about a half hour of labor."

Umm, let me think...

[Danr55]

just what you need. More horsepower... I presume you told him yes?

[Three Peaks]

Darned mechanics, always trying to run up the bill by promising things like extra horsepower, better shifting, those little scented trees, etc.....

So, did you agree to the work?

[SandyC]

Originally Posted by Three Peaks

...So, did you agree to the work?

Oh yeah, I sure did.

[Hollywood]

Good job sandy, never enough hp!!!

[Hotfingrs]

Time to find a new mechanic IMHO. Shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to adjust throttle, and 75 -100 is way over exaggerated. Besides the only time you might notice any difference is at WOT. Hope he did this for free......

[csx4910]

You should stay out of the conversation if you aren't involved or know the particulars of what is going on. Charlie (the mechanic he is referring to) has built several of our cars in the last 2-3 years here in Arizona and I don't know of a more honest person. I trust him implicitly with my car and I know Sandy does as well. I happen to have the same engine Sandy does and can personally attest to when our cars were new and the engines (the first 5 to come out of Roush for this motor) were getting sorted out, it only took a few tweaks on the computer in the right hands with the FI system to greatly increase the horsepower we were getting at the time. These are not your normal garden variety small or big block with a carb.

On top of it the shop he is at currently (Hot Rods by Dean) has does excellent work on my CSX as well as the superformance I owned in the past and the rates were much more reasonable than other shops I have talked to.

I am sorry to rant but it irks me for people to stick their nose in where is doesn't belong or where they don't know the rest of the story.

Sandy, i am sure you will put the horsepower to good use!!
Ron

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

Originally Posted by csx4910

You should stay out of the conversation if you aren't involved or know the particulars of what is going on. Charlie (the mechanic he is referring to) has built several of our cars in the last 2-3 years here in Arizona and I don't know of a more honest person. I trust him implicitly with my car and I know Sandy does as well. I happen to have the same engine Sandy does and can personally attest to when our cars were new and the engines (the first 5 to come out of Roush for this motor) were getting sorted out, it only took a few tweaks on the computer in the right hands with the FI system to greatly increase the horsepower we were getting at the time. These are not your normal garden variety small or big block with a carb.

On top of it the shop he is at currently (Hot Rods by Dean) has does excellent work on my CSX as well as the superformance I owned in the past and the rates were much more reasonable than other shops I have talked to.

I am sorry to rant but it irks me for people to stick their nose in where is doesn't belong or where they don't know the rest of the story.

Sandy, i am sure you will put the horsepower to good use!!
Ron

Posting an entry on this forum asks for input by other board members. If you want us keep our nose out of your business, you might not want to post here. We all have opinions and comments, that's what this forum is for. While I don't have a dog in this issue about you or your mechanic, this forum is open to comments from all. No one dissed your mechanic as far as I can tell.

[SandyC]

Yup I trust Charlie completely. He downloaded a bunch of data from the EEC and uploaded it to the Roush engineers in Levonia for analysis. The problem I had that caused me to bring the car in is that it was having a minor issue of intermittent difficulty falling into a nice idle. When coming off speed it would sometimes fall thru the target idle speed for a few seconds then recover to the programmed idle speed and eventually idle nicely. Evidently there are a couple of throttle bodies a bit out of balance plus perhaps a tweak to the IAC is in order and a throttle adjustment, among other things. This aint easy stuff because with EFI computers, sensors and fuel/air adjustment curves one thing will affect another which then affects another and before you know it you're digging a deep hole. It's tricky stuff. The engine is running great, I just want it perfect and that is the reason I took it to Charlie here in the Phoenix area.

[csx4910]

Time to find a new mechanic IMHO. Shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to adjust throttle, and 75 -100 is way over exaggerated. Besides the only time you might notice any difference is at WOT. Hope he did this for free......
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Jack

Zoera-sc7xxx - You don't think that this is dissin the mechanic? It is a public forum but I don't recall Sandy asking for anyones advice? It was a retorical question about whether or not he should do it.(assuming you know the meaning of the word retorical) If you think it takes 30 seconds to adjust the throttle of a fuel injected computer controlled $40000 motor, it tells me a lot about your mechanical ability. Not to mention that Roush fuel injection systems are proprietiry and any hack with a laptop aren't able to adjust them, it takes experience, skill and permission from Roush before you are even access the software.
Ron

[Bob Broberg SPF667 460BB]

Charlie also reset my throttle linkage so the NOS hits right at WOT and the rear barrels are open all the way. My tinkering had screwed up a bit. Like it does every time I touch the carb. LOL.

AZ Bob

[Hotfingrs]

Maybe you should put this in a private mail if you don't want replies, that way your wheaties won't get PI$$ED on......

[Danr55]

Sounds like someone needs to meet a real mechanic and/or get a real motor.. I'd be very shy about anyone who said that they could optimize my linkage in under 30 seconds.

[Hotfingrs]

It ain't rocket science... and as far as motors go.... bring it.

[Got the Bug]

BTW - I doubt it's a 30 second job. The SPF has a couple of different adjustments and you're also dealing with fuel injection. The guy probably charges $100 hr, so $50 to get it right...no big deal and certainly not grounds for firing the mechanic.

[trularin]

Guys, I sort of wonder if Hotfingers doesn't make a point. First 100 hp off a 20% thottle difference is incredible. I think you would have to be driving this car at WOT all the time to use it.

The other point I might add is this is a members open forum and is going to draw the attention of the other members. With this in mind I might would say Charlie must be a fine mechanic that he can do these things, but to the rest of us who know him NOT, he is a character in this thread.

In general if you all have not noticed, we, as members, seem to come to the aid of any of our brethren when something sounds amiss. In this case I do believe Hotfingers was trying to shead his knowledge to help to understand this remarkable tallent in Charlie.

I am not looking for someone else's Wheaties, but I think we can appreciate Charlie's talent and the fact that someone has pointing it out a bit more colorfully.

[Hotfingrs]

Cover your wheaties.....

I don't care for people making comments without all the facts

Fact as stated....

with the throttle to the floor you're only getting about 80% throttle

Fact as stated....

Shouldn't take more than 30 seconds to adjust throttle

So what facts are missing. One fact was stated and one fact was answered. Doesn't take longer than 30 seconds to adjust linkage to get 100% opening. To adjust computer and other componets takes longer. That fact wasn't stated. Maybe if you want someone to address all the facts, they should be posted.....but hey, you don't like people chimming in on a public forum....maybe this post should be moved to the mind readers forum....

[blykins]

Sounds like a nice EFI motor....and some extra hp goodies to be found as well. Good result in the end.

As for public forums, there are always those who like to make roman candles out of their mouths without knowing all the details. We will never be able to change that.

[mikiec]

Enough of the pissing contest. Everybody go to a neutral corner.

Mike

[sdfletch]

May there be peace on earth.

Originally Posted by mikiec

Enough of the pissing contest. Everybody go to a neutral corner.

Mike