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11-14-2011, 06:22 AM
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Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: Brisbane, Australia,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary CCX3117 427FE
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Arthur - 1987's very impressive as well!
Steve your left front suspension shot is interesting. As a point of comparison, look at how much higher the suspension is mounted in Dad's Arntz;
compared to yours;
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11-14-2011, 04:35 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Golden Isles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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Originally Posted by 750hp
Arthur - 1987's very impressive as well!
I too will be impressed when I finish building it!!!
Steve your left front suspension shot is interesting. As a point of comparison, look at how much higher the suspension is mounted in Dad's Arntz;
I believe that this is just the perspective angle of the camera.
BTW...Is the Fastcars IFS fitted to your Dad's car yet?
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The Body of the Arntz is different too in the front wheel arch.
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11-17-2011, 02:25 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Holderness, NH, US of A,
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Cobra Make, Engine: CSX 4772 old iron FE
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I'm going to get together with Steve pretty soon hopefully and check out his chassis. Do yours look anything like Anthony's?
MOV04917.mp4 video by acmjg - Photobucket
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11-17-2011, 04:39 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Golden Isles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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Mickmate, Is your question to me? If so, I do not know for sure how close the Arntz frame is to mine, a Butler. I can only assume that it would be close.
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11-17-2011, 07:41 PM
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Hi Arthur I'm just trying to find a good pic of the rear frame to compare it to. It looks like the rear end bolts on the back of the Butler frame? This red one you pictured is very similar to the one I linked to from the look of it.
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11-18-2011, 09:36 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Golden Isles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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Hi Arthur I'm just trying to find a good pic of the rear frame to compare it to. It looks like the rear end bolts on the back of the Butler frame? This red one you pictured is very similar to the one I linked to from the look of it.
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Nick, the red frame is exactly like mine.
I still have to install a anti-sway bar on mine, then find room for the Watts linkage to fit.
You can see some photos of my frame in my albums here in my profile. I can also shoot you a couple more and send via my iphone if you PM me an email address.
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11-18-2011, 07:15 AM
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That is exactly what my set-up uses on my Arntz. Looks to be the same rods, connectors, center support mount, even mounting under the pumpkin.
I can grab some pics if you need.
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11-18-2011, 07:12 PM
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That is a good underneath shot of the rear end you have in there. We'll talk about the watts but it looks very do-able. How many Butlers have you tracked down at this point?
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11-19-2011, 11:58 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Golden Isles,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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Originally Posted by mickmate
That is a good underneath shot of the rear end you have in there. We'll talk about the watts but it looks very do-able. How many Butlers have you tracked down at this point?
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Nick, Russ AKA -- SoTexButler -- on this forum is the man building the Butler Registry. And sorry Russ, your Registration Thread is getting hi-jacked.
Somewhare on this Registration thread I believe that there are 100 + Butler Cobra's. Ron Butler also made a bunch of frames for Arntz and who knows how many Arntz units were made? Eventually Russ will be able to enlighten us all.
I'm starting a now post for Arntz Butler Watts Linkage...What say you all? This way we can have a following and Nick can determine if it's worth the R&D to pursue this.. Then we can all be winners.
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11-20-2011, 06:02 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler, built in 80, driven consistently since '85
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Back to the Butler Registry:
My car was built in Santa Monica CA about 1979-1980.
I can't tell if Arntz or Butler, I believe Butler. In the interest of Registry,
is there some pictures I can take and post that will help identify?
Specific places I can look,
telltales/
build details?
I've looked on the LF frame rail just behind front bumper, posted photo, difficult to see because of body.
I'd like to help get the Registry accounting accurate.
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11-20-2011, 07:23 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler Cobra. 350 Chevy Engine, blueprinted, heads cc'd, ported, polished, manifolds matched, big valves, 1.6 roller rockers, TB Injected, mild cam, MSD crank trigger electronic ignition. TKO-600 transmission. XKE Jaguar rear. IFS by Fast Cars
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Originally Posted by VC455
Back to the Butler Registry:
My car was built in Santa Monica CA about 1979-1980.
I can't tell if Arntz or Butler, I believe Butler. In the interest of Registry,
is there some pictures I can take and post that will help identify?
Specific places I can look,
telltales/
build details?
I've looked on the LF frame rail just behind front bumper, posted photo, difficult to see because of body.
I'd like to help get the Registry accounting accurate.
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Take a look at my photo album in my profile here on the Forum. You will see a few photos that may help with your identification.
The stamped number should be on the very front of the frame in the left wheel arch. It is just to the right (or rear) by 1" or so, of the oval body vent and where the vertical 2" tab 3" tab bolts the frame to the body. This is also where the bumper slides through the body and attaches to the frame.
As for photos: Take engine bay by radiator and IFS shroud. Steering column over the footwell and how it connects to the rack and pinion. Underside of the hood. Underside of the frame showing X member, IRS. And inside and of the trunk & underside of the lid.
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11-21-2011, 09:20 AM
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VC455,
If your car actually was built in 79-80, it's an Arntz. Butler may have supplied some parts or done some labor but it won't be a Butler and won't have the BRI number stamped on the frame behind the left front bumper bracket. Butler didn't build his frame jig until 82. Pictures from underneath are the most helpful in determining what you have, especially of the pedal box area, crossmember and differential mounting area. Door hinge and engine compartment construction will help as well.
Jason
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11-21-2011, 05:27 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Butler, built in 80, driven consistently since '85
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Quote:
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VC455,
If your car actually was built in 79-80, it's an Arntz. Butler may have supplied some parts or done some labor but it won't be a Butler and won't have the BRI number stamped on the frame behind the left front bumper bracket. Butler didn't build his frame jig until 82. Pictures from underneath are the most helpful in determining what you have, especially of the pedal box area, crossmember and differential mounting area. Door hinge and engine compartment construction will help as well.
Jason
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Thanks Jason, and others,
I'll collect all the photos and submit for opinions/eval ASAP.
Might be a little delay due to T-Day and in-laws, etc...
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