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Old 12-11-2009, 01:33 AM
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Default Argon gas for TIG.

I don't use much gas when I'm working on fibreglass but now that I'm building a set of headers I've used up my supply for the TIG. So I rang BOC and asked what a 'G' sized bottle would cost. $240 bucks + gst. yaaa urk damn near had a heart attack. Last time I bought some, it was $100 bucks and I didn't like that then. I rang a specialist welder that I know and asked him about the price. He's just retired now but earlier this year he used to get the same bottle for $48 bucks with a trade discount for high turn-over. He doesn't get that now so he's sick too. Strange how you can sell a volume of gas for a tiny price then charge others 80% more plus charge a couple of hundred bucks for bottle rental each time. Nice to have a monopoly. Boc is part of Linde gas companies. Bastards.
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Old 12-11-2009, 02:49 AM
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was that inclusive of 12 months rental or something?

when I enquired about a month ago a "D" of argoshield (for MIG, not pure argon) was going to be about $30 in gas plus the $12 odd per month for bottle rental
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Competition is good for the consumer, they have a monopoly or is there someone else?
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Rob,

We do a fair bit of welding at work.

Let me see if I can get you a discount.

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was that inclusive of 12 months rental or something?

when I enquired about a month ago a "D" of argoshield (for MIG, not pure argon) was going to be about $30 in gas plus the $12 odd per month for bottle rental
I've forgotten what the rent is as I used my dads account the $144 a year sounds right. But the $240.00 is crippling.
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Rob,

We do a fair bit of welding at work.

Let me see if I can get you a discount.

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THANK YOU for the offer but I don't see how this would work. As I don't use the gas that regularly and I'm so far away. I wouldn't like to compromise your account or reputation in any way.
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Competition is good for the consumer, they have a monopoly or is there someone else?
It seems that way . I googled Industrial gas suppliers in Australia and only got two. One on the east coast and one on the west coast (which is way too far away) so I'm stuck.
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I run 2x E size bottles. 1 Argon for the TIG and one MIGshield for the MIG. E size are a lot easier to handle than the G size especially if you get an aluminum bottle. Refills run about $140 from memory through Air Liquide. I probably use a couple of bottles per year. The killer is the bottle rental at about $150 each bottle per year. Years ago you could do a 5 year lease for about $250.

I'm contemplating just running the 1 Argon bottle for everything. I've done a bit of testing with the MIG on Argon and it produces acceptable results.

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What about using CO2? I know a couple guys here who do that for their MIG's. Is it possible for TIG? Might be a lot cheaper.
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For TIG you have to run straight argon. CO2 or MIG Shield (Argon CO2 mix) will contaminate the weld when welding aluminum and I reckon the tungsten electrode wouldn't like it either.

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Up here you can either buy the bottle outright, get a life time lease(almost same as purchase, except THEY keep up bottle tests and exchange for full bottle) or rent if you are volume user--if big volume, THEY are so happy to have you that they will supply the tanks just fot the gas sales

I usually bargain on purchasing new welding machine to get a bottle tossed into the deal so -------
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ran across a thread somewhere, guy said he was standing next to 2 regular size bottles of gas, super pure xenon, was $300k ea., bulk price.
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There isn't a bottle that is regular sized---they all have letters and hold so many cubic feet of gas
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gas prices vary day to day and there are other charges that apply====delivery, hazmat disposal etc
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There isn't a bottle that is regular sized---they all have letters and hold so many cubic feet of gas
i know that, you know that, but that is irrelevent. the point being the cost of the gas. the information didn't say which size bottle, just "regular", standing next to, expensive.
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everything about it is relevent--size of bottle/cubic ft---type of gas---super pure xenon---

but what does that have to do with welding gas?? argon or 75/25 for mig????

all medical gases or other industrial gases are priced according to there uses . you won't get a bottle of medical level gas put into a bottle that was used for welding gas---
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Default Supagas

Down here in Victoria, we have Supagas, much cheaper rental and gas price, their E size argon actually holds more gas as well. I am in the process of swapping from BOC as the rentals on my other bottles become due.
http://www.supagasnsw.com.au/market.htm Free delivery according to the NSW web page.
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