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Old 01-20-2013, 08:36 PM
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Hi All,

the next project I'm trying to knock over while to body is off is a power steering conversion.

Why? you ask. Well it's not to make the steering effort easier although that is a bonus when parking. The big advantage is the increase in speed of the rack. The CR uses a VL Commodore donor rack. The Manual version is more than 4 turns lock to lock. The power rack is only 2.7 turns. I figure a quick rack is an advantage in such a short wheelbase car.

Several folks have already done the conversion and after driving one of them I'm sold.

So far I've found pretty much all the bits to set it up. As usual I haven't got the easy off the shelf parts, I've got items I picked up here and there.

I picked up a new power steering pump I liked the look of at a swap meet. Lightweight aluminum construction. Later investigation revealing it was a BA Ford Falcon item. It was just the bare pump, no mounting or pulley but the price was right.

Before you say "Why didn't you just buy the GM one for the LS1 motor?" My response is "Where's the fun in that?"

So the job on the weekend was to adapt the pump to my LS motor. I started with a block of aluminum about 150x100x25 and a spare cylinder head. I took a bunch of measurements of the accessory mount holes on the front of the spare head and then turned that into a layout on the block and then drilled it to suit.

Here's the rough mount bolted up to the motor. I've also milled it down to about 16mm thick.



With the mount fitting OK now I just needed to trim away all the excess material. First up was marking out what needed to be removed.



Then mount it in the mill and start carving away. I like using the rotary table for this sort of stuff because the part has a lot of odd angles and can be quite hard to grip in the vice. It's also quicker to change position than directly bolting it to the table.




A bit more finessing and the mount is finished. The mount also acts as part of my belt tensioner setup for the Altenator which would have been something I would have had to mess with if I used the stock GM setup.

You can also see I've welded an AN-10 fitting onto the inlet of the pump. It originally had just a socket that probably connected to an integrated plastic reservoir.



Mounted on the motor and it's turned out pretty good.





The next job is making the pulley to suit. I machined up the serpentine pulleys for the water pump annd alternator so already have the technique for cutting the belt grooves sorted.

It starts with a big lump of aluminium sitting in the jaws of the Lathe. This is 150mm x 50mm and most of it will turn into swarf in the tray under the lathe.



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Mike, Your engine has spider webs on it.


Bloody spider webs.


You know spider webs only appear on things that dont move?


Spider bloody webs.
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Mike, Your engine has spider webs on it.
And a fair coating of dust too.

Working on getting rid of all that.

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Superb Mike.

How do you do all the radius on the mill?

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Fantastic work as per usual Mikey
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Mike,

Fantastic work as we have all come to expect.

It is great reading you build threads because I know there is yet another CR that was once complete and is now in bits on the shed floor, however I am planing on having my back together for Winton. March 2011 was we I pulled my apart to be painted. I have just be informed I will have it back from the painters in about 2 weeks, we will wait and see.

Have you installed your steering rack yet?

When I installed mind, I lowered the rack by about 30mm to get it positioned correctly and strengthened all the gussets as well. I think Leigh lowered his by about 25mm.

I have the exact size I lowered it by some were if you want it.

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Superb Mike.

How do you do all the radius on the mill?

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The rotary table is the trick for cutting radius. I would usually just clamp the piece to the rotary table with the center of the diameter I want to cut (ie the center of the bolt hole) at the center of the table. For the large inside radius I cut that with the boring head and only cut an arc of the circle. I can change the radius by changing the diameter of the boring head.

On this piece I cheated for the small radius around the bolt holes and did them on the belt linisher.

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Mike,

Fantastic work as we have all come to expect.

It is great reading you build threads because I know there is yet another CR that was once complete and is now in bits on the shed floor, however I am planing on having my back together for Winton. March 2011 was we I pulled my apart to be painted. I have just be informed I will have it back from the painters in about 2 weeks, we will wait and see.

Have you installed your steering rack yet?

When I installed mind, I lowered the rack by about 30mm to get it positioned correctly and strengthened all the gussets as well. I think Leigh lowered his by about 25mm.

I have the exact size I lowered it by some were if you want it.

Rod
That's good news on the paint Rod. I'm looking forward to getting mine in paint.

The VL, VN and VP Commodore racks are all the same length with the same mountings. I've got a couple of different power racks. One from a VL and one from a VN and they bolt straight in. The VP rack differs from the others as some of them have a double D input shaft and some are splined the same as the VN and VL. The VL Manual rack has a different spline again.

The VP rack also has thicker rack ends with a 16mm fine thread but the rack ends are interchangable. I used the VP rack ends on my VL rack and they are now on this power rack.

I didn't lower my rack, I raised the tie rod position to fix the bump steer. It's not perfect but it's better than it was. I deleted the tie rod ends and changed them to rod ends. It went through engineering like this.

Clearance to the iside of the wheel rim was tight with the stock tie rod so that was part of the thinking for switching it round ths way. This will let me put a 9" wide rim on the front in future.



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The rotary table is the trick for cutting radius. I would usually just clamp the piece to the rotary table with the center of the diameter I want to cut (ie the center of the bolt hole) at the center of the table. For the large inside radius I cut that with the boring head and only cut an arc of the circle. I can change the radius by changing the diameter of the boring head.

On this piece I cheated for the small radius around the bolt holes and did them on the belt finisher.

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I know that is not you used and you do great work! I am impressed.
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I'd be happy to come along however I'd need some scuba tanks for the drive accross.
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Just a small update,

You may have noticed in the pics that I'm using AN fittings and braided hose for the lines. These pumps and steering racks use what they call a bump tube fitting to connect the hoses. It's a threaded ferrule that retains the end of a metal tube in the socket and this is sealed with an O ring. It's not a common fitting outside of power steering.

Sticking with these would mean having to get custom hoses made up. Fortunately there are a few companies that make bump tube to AN adaptors.



I've got a couple of old hoses mocked up to work out the routing. It's handy to have a few spare fittings lying around to do this especially when you consider the cost of the hose and fittings if you get it wrong.

You also need to consider the pressure rating of the hose for the application. This braided hose is only good for about 1000PSI but the pump is capable of much more. I've got some teflon braided hose that will be run in for the final fitup and this is rated at 3000PSI

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Hey Mike, when I got my Power Steering High Pressure hose done by the Enzed man he showed me a "restricter" that went inside the hose to restrict the flow. (It looked like a steel spring I think)

He said this was needed so that the power steering wasnt too soft.

Is this something you've considered or decided you dont need. I am quite happy with my PS feel BTW.

Just thought I add something that I was told and know nothing about.

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Nice work

I'm sooo jealous of your workshop and machinery... very nice
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You also need to consider the pressure rating of the hose for the application. This braided hose is only good for about 1000PSI but the pump is capable of much more. I've got some teflon braided hose that will be run in for the final fitup and this is rated at 3000PSI
Hey Mike, I've fitted a VK power rack with the teflon braided hose as well, seems to work well. The fittings on my rack look much the same as your picture above with the black male-to-male connectors - not sure what you mean by bump tube fittings?
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Mike will those AN style fittings hold that pressure? Just asking, as I really don't know!
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Just to clarify my question, I'm not referring to the fitting itself blowing apart, but rather the pressure rating on the seal that is formed between the two fitting pieces and the hose?
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Hey Mike, when I got my Power Steering High Pressure hose done by the Enzed man he showed me a "restricter" that went inside the hose to restrict the flow. (It looked like a steel spring I think)

He said this was needed so that the power steering wasnt too soft.

Is this something you've considered or decided you dont need. I am quite happy with my PS feel BTW.

Just thought I add something that I was told and know nothing about.

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I reckon he was probably right with the flow restricter in the system.

On my pump there is a fitting that screws into the pump body and retains the pressure reliefe valve assembly. This is what the high pressure line then screws into. There is a very small hole in this fitting that the fluid has to pass through and I believe this is the flow restricter. I'll try it with the regular line and see. It's easy enogh to add one later.

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Hey Mike, I've fitted a VK power rack with the teflon braided hose as well, seems to work well. The fittings on my rack look much the same as your picture above with the black male-to-male connectors - not sure what you mean by bump tube fittings?
Hi Paul,

Bump tube is sometimes called beaded tube. The end of the tube has been pressed in a die to form a ridge around it. This is what the O ring sits up against to make the seal. The bump or ridge also gives something for the retaining nut to run up against to keep the fitting in place.



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Mike will those AN style fittings hold that pressure? Just asking, as I really don't know!

It's a good question Ben.

There's an interesting history behind AN fittings and the race car industry. AN stands for Aueonautical and Navy and they were a military standard used in WW2 on aircraft. They were a very robust fitting that could be quickly undone and serviced. You can imagine what they would have to go through on a war plane.

After WW2 there were a lot of mechanics returned from the war that then got involved in racing. There was a lot of military surplus materials out there including a heap of AN fittings. They found that these were great for racing for the same reasons they were good on fighter planes. Super reliable and easy to service.

As for the tapered seat holding pressure... Pretty much the same design is used in industrial hydraulics. They call them a JIC fitting (Joint Industry Council) They are dimensionally the same as AN fittings (and you can interconnect them) but JIC are usually made from steel. They are used on huge industrial machines like excavators with much higher hydraulic pressures.

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Got slightly distracted last night. On my last trip to the US I picked up an underdrive SFI spec damper. I figured swap it now since I'm working out belt arrangements for the power steering.



Also picked up a dedicated LS1 balancer puller. I'd looked at trying to use my regular gear puller but the LS1 ballancer has no bolt holes to grip it.



I'm super impressed with how this thing worked. I only needed a 3/8" ratchet to wind the ballancer off. Really easy to use. If anyone needs to use it, let me know.



While I've got it apart....

May as well change the cam.



Texas Speed MS4 Cam. Should wake the motor up a bit.



A new timing chain and a hi flow oil pump are going in as well.




These motors are very enjoyable to work on. No gaskets to worry about and everything is dead easy.

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