Are 5.4L engines ADR compliant in 2017

[paul68]

I was told today that the 5.4l ford engine will not be compliant from November 2016, is this correct as I'm nearly finished my car as was looking to get it engineered in july/august.

[Rog246]

You should be fine, as QLD will still accept A Windsor 351 EFI up to the last model from the US according to my engineer.
The question is sorts technically correct, but that rule applies to NEW CARS and the new regs that started 01/01/17

[paul68]

thanks been a will since I got this kit and lost my engineers details so have to search my records. best pull my finger out and get this thing finished ASAP

[ICCARS]

Rog is correct as I believe that QLD are the same as SA and are still working on ADR 37.01 when it comes to ICV's which allows for the windsor engines to be complied, so the BA/BF 5.4L engines are Euro2+ compliant as long as you use the std ECU and run the right Cats etc.. in the exhaust system.

[14adrnln]

Are LS7's ADR compliant for South Australia rules?

[Dimis]

To my understanding It's the out put (exhaust fumes) of the engine that needs to comply at testing. The engine family is not relevant.

So a four cylinder could fail to comply, while a Lamborghini v10 may still comply.

That said some engine families are engineered by design to have a head start in this area.

Good luck with your build.

[ICCARS]

Not quiet Dimis but nice try

The theory is that the engine needs to be suitable to adhere to the ADR requirement for each individual state, so for S.A. it is still ADR 37.01 and for Vic and NSW it is Euro 2+ emissions requirements. What this means is that the level of Carbon monoxide and hydrocarbons produced needs to be below the mandated thresholds for an engine running in an ICV.
In S.A. that is 2.5 percent Carbon Monoxide and 250 parts per million Hydrocarbons.
In the other states Euro 2 specs are slightly lower than these figures and engines such as windsors, VN 5Ltr engines etc.. do not meet the requirements and are therefore deemed to be unacceptable for use. That said you can still put one of these engines in an ICV but it will have to undergo an IM240 engine cycle test, whereby they put the car on rollers (in an enclosed room to suck the gases out the engine pipe) and run the engine through it's rev range under specific loads in order to capture the gas emissions produce, and it's a pass/fail thing at a cost of over $1000 a throw in certain states.. The acceptance for individual engine families is generally based on the year of the car and the ADR for each individual state, so anything preceding 2002 in a Windsor based engine will comply as long as it is stock standard and runs the original ECU, loom etc.. etc.. I would suggest that a LS7 engine would come out of a car post 2002, therefore it is OK to use within S.A.

It does get quiet complicated in Vic and NSW as the EPA in their infinite wisdom have up'd the ante and made it harder for guys to comply ICV's primarily based on emissions targets, that's why a lot of guys are now looking to the Coyote motors and LSA motors.

The other thing to take into account is that once you have chosen a builder for you Replica car then immediately get your statement of requirements so that you are locked in to a given compliance criteria whereby even if you take up to ten years to build your car, the law is not retrospective and the transport authority can not make you upgrade your engine spec. Just as long as you renew the S.O.R. annually - some people wait until they are finished building before they get their S.O.R. and get a nasty shock when their engine is no longer valid.

Hope this long winded detail helps.

Cheers

[Rog246]

Guys remember E85 is our friend, particularly in the case of having to pass the epa test-it helps heaps.

[Dimis]

Originally Posted by ICCARS

In the other states Euro 2 specs are slightly lower than these figures and engines such as windsors, VN 5Ltr engines etc.. do not meet the requirements and are therefore deemed to be unacceptable for use. That said you can still put one of these engines in an ICV but it will have to undergo an IM240 engine cycle test, whereby they put the car on rollers (in an enclosed room to suck the gases out the engine pipe) and run the engine through it's rev range under specific loads in order to capture the gas emissions produce, and it's a pass/fail thing at a cost of over $1000 a throw in certain states..

Dear Will,
Can you please help me understand?
How is what I said different to this excerpt taken from you above?
Thanking you kindly.

[ICCARS]

Hey Dimis,

other than the specific detail I provided for compliance there are two points to consider here :-

1) The engine family is relevant as the ADR's are based on year of manufacture for a vehicle hence a specific engine associated to that vehicle will not comply based on the manufacture date, i.e Windsor or 308 Holden engines as an example of non compliant engine groups for most states now.

2) And the state in which you are trying to achieve compliance ties you into a different category altogether, so a 2002 Lambo V10 engine in NSW will not meet the requirements unless that specific engine is to the Euro 2 emissions standards, however a 4cyl 2005 Nissan SR20 engine may meet compliance based purely on the year of manufacture.

It is also interesting to note that in Vic and NSW the Transport Authority under pressure from the EPA are placing a 3 year amnesty on guys that own ICV's who may have the older generation motors, which in my opinion goes against convention in that they are now saying if you have a registered vehicle that meets the original compliance criteria but not the current criteria, you are obligated to (over a 3 year period) change your engine to a current engine specification or redo the emissions test to prove your engine is suitable for use within Vic & NSW.. Hopefully commonsense will prevail and this will be over turned but I have been advised of this recently, so please don't shoot the messenger as I am just giving the forum my feedback on what I have been told by people in a higher position within the transport authority.