ABS a requirement for ICVs in NSW

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by Treeve

Ok so I had an email from someone at TfNSW who advise the RMS. They are of the understanding that the ABS requirement will be removed from the Brake Assesment Manual (they even said it was due in part to my lobbying, which is nice).

I’ve therefore asked that consideration be given now to ADRs 88 and 89 which come out in July next year for mandatory ESC and BAS (brake assistance) for category MA passenger vehicles. Hopefully we can catch this one before it becomes legislation on future.

Treeve

If they are waiving the ABS requirement, then it should be obvious to any Transport engineer that ESC, BAS, and any other EBCM controlled feature cannot be added to an ICV either.

Gary

[Treeve]

Originally Posted by Gaz64

If they are waiving the ABS requirement, then it should be obvious to any Transport engineer that ESC, BAS, and any other EBCM controlled feature cannot be added to an ICV either.

Gary

This again misses the point about how legislation is written. We can all be smart and say “well it’s obvious that x, y and z can’t apply”, but what actually happens is that we have to comply with what the registration legislation says. And from next year there are new, separate ADRs for ESC and BAS. So these would again need specific exemptions and we’d go through all of this again. Now is the time to make sure that these are captured and not leave it to chance - because what will happen is you won’t be able to prove compliance with these ADRs, you won’t have an exemption and so you won’t be able to register your car.

Also, there are many ways to make these things work without ABS. So, just because cost prohibits it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

So we have to sort out an exemption now.

Treeve

[Gaz64]

Originally Posted by Treeve

This again misses the point about how legislation is written. We can all be smart and say “well it’s obvious that x, y and z can’t apply”, but what actually happens is that we have to comply with what the registration legislation says. And from next year there are new, separate ADRs for ESC and BAS. So these would again need specific exemptions and we’d go through all of this again. Now is the time to make sure that these are captured and not leave it to chance - because what will happen is you won’t be able to prove compliance with these ADRs, you won’t have an exemption and so you won’t be able to register your car.

Also, there are many ways to make these things work without ABS. So, just because cost prohibits it, doesn’t mean it can’t be done.

So we have to sort out an exemption now.

Treeve

Sorry Treeve, I'll disagree on one point.

To have any features of current ABS, an EBCM or ABS module has to fitted, period.

So if they waive ABS, but make ESC compulsory, then an ABS or EBCM has to be fitted.

The DMV people need to realise this before they start rewriting the rule book.

Gary