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No ford 9 inch, what do you recomend
**) Having trouble trying to work out what diff to put in my rolling chassis. I don't want to run a ford 9 inch or run anything that is IRS. Can anyone tell me what the easiest diff to put in my chassis would be. I would prefer not to get an engineer to cut and join. I would rather hear that for eg, a torana, diff is short and works well, or maybe even a vn commodore, I know I am talking Holden I have just heard they are normally a little narrower than the usual ford. I may have heard wrong but any input would help, please.
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You might need to provide more information about this rolling chassis mate. Eg, is it from a kit manufacturer or home made, any provisions for diff/suspension mounting points, etc.
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I think that the good old B/W ford diff is plenty, Its what I have in mine, 28 spline, 4 pinion LSD, 3.73 diff ratio.
yeh I had it shortend to suit my application, cost me $100 for the 2nd hand diff (complete) EA falcon Disc. To shorten with new 28 spline axles, all brackets welded to suit custom suspention, tailshaft made & balanced all for $1800 total!!! You can have it all done and fitted to your chassis for under 2k !!! Some people put a hell of alot of street HP through these diff's without any problems. Another person I know has an un-cut B/W in his cobra, but the rim selection was not able to have any dish, I like the deep dished type rims, thats why I had mine shortened. Hope this is of use to you..... Simmo.... |
9 inch
Here's a thought,
That 9 " can handle 900 hp +or- depending on build, also you can change the ring and pinion in the time it takes to take a healthy **** and won't break the bank, plus a high school dropout can work on them. If you get into some of those exotic rear ends you have to be a Rhodes Scholar to work on them, not to metion special tools and a pocket book that would let you shop at BJ's auction. Think About It!:JEKYLHYDE |
I know the hotrod guys use the Hilux 2wd diffs in the lesser powered vehicles.
I have heard of them fitted behind stock small block V8's with no problems of failure when driven like a normal car. |
My Homebush uses the Torana rear end setup. I have proved on two occassions that a Torana diff is nearly as good as a tooth pick would be for the rear end.
Now I use a slightly modified Commodore VN diff. They are not as tough as a Ford 9" but they are half the weight. Its a vast improvement on the Torana. Brett |
As mentioned, it would be beneficial for you to state what kit you are building plus what sort of horse power you intend on running, also wether you want limited slip or not. A small diff might be OK if you are not running much HP and are not intending on spinning the wheels.
Hey Brett, was your Torana diff a fine splineand was it LSD or single spinner? I'm interested because I'm running a Torana diff. |
Hi Cameron
The first one was a course spline single spinner. The second was a fine spline LSD. Both had the same problem of disintegrating carriers. Snapped an axle once as well. So far the BW78 from the Commodore has taken some punishment. I highly advise you look at something a bit stronger than the Torana diff. Brett |
I used to destroy diffs in my XU1 Torana with a warmed up 6 cylinder. They are not the best choice for a Cobra. Brett is right, go for the later Commodore BTR diff. It will be more than strong enough and you will get disc brakes standard.
The other option if you aren't in a hurry is to go to swap meets and keep an eye on the Trading post. Every now and then I see Ford 9" diffs that have been converted for Torana going for reasonable money. The 9" is a big heavy diff though and probably over kill for a 5.0L equipped car. Cheers |
Mike (or anyone else) do you have an opinion on putting an R32 Skyline diff behind the new L76? The Skyline was around 200kw whereas the L76 is about 260kw and 510nm. All that torque has me a little worried, especially since I will probably go a bigger cam down the track.
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I reckon it'll be fine Sambo. Many of those tuned up skylines are making a awful lot of power and torque. Plus the skyline is significantly heavier than a Cobra.
I believe the internals of the Skyline diff are the same as the Commodore i.e made by BTR (who I think are now owned by Dana). Several people have told me the diff gears are interchangable between the two. Cheers |
That's good news because I'm being quoted around $1000 for the 200SX (S15) helical diff centre and that's second hand. It's a much better centre than the R32 stock item. So it sounds like I have a few more options if BTR are in the same market.
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It's becoming quite a common conversion in the US to drop an LS1 into an S15 and S15 Nissans. These guys are not reporting any diff problems.
S14 LS1 Conversion Cheers |
Thanks Brett, what model commodore's have the BTR diff?
Thanks Mike. |
I can confirm for you guys that when ordering warranty diffs through Holden it is all done through Dana.
And these are the BTR diffs. |
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The earlier cars used Borg Warner diffs but I think that company was torn apart and the gearbox side of things taken by Tremec and the diffs going to BTR. VN, VP, VR or VS all had live axles available. After that they are nearly all IRS. Boxhead would certainly be the man to ask on the Holden diffs.
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OK......................:o what's the difference between live axles and IRS:o
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Your Torana diff is a "live axle". The whole assembly is suspended and both wheels move in the same plain.
IRS (Independent Rear Suspension) as the name suggests, each wheel can move independently of the other, and the diff centre is fixed to the chassis (generally). |
superformance cobras are now fitted with ausie BTR,s
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