Show and Shine results

Beejay · #1 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 03:45 AM

Some of those results look at bit weird to me, but I agree it would be a tough job that I would not like to do.

Having seen Phil's car without the body on I find it hard to believe he did not score higher in the under body. Are there any other cars that have all welds smoothed and the chassis powder coated?

My car with 0 km's on it is nowhere as neat underneath!

Ben

400TT · #2 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:02 AM

Beejay, it's really difficult to fairly judge underbody, you can only see certain areas, it takes a lot of effort and you have to make a lot of assumptions

The judges would also take into account how well the car is presented i.e cleaned and detailed. I saw a few top cars that were sadly not presented at their best. Mind you after detailing Cobras for many years of Nationals shows, I can understand not wanting to clean & polish.

I wasn't one of the judges from this year, but I looked at every car in detail. I also have the photos to prove it.

Philm · #3 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:19 AM

Craig,
I am guilty of the not presented as best as it could be. Our car had sprung a leak in the power steering feed line that is above the gilmer drive belt and 1 ltr of transmission fluid was sprayed inside my engine bay. Then after 2 days of practice the car needed a week to clean it.

The only critisim I have reguarding the S&S is that the nationals are a driving event maybe the show and shine should be held before the practice day.

If you put one wheel off the track into that Goulburn dust you will never get all of it out.

I must say that I am still buzzing with the best paint and best engine bay.

Can we have the nationals again next week.

Phil

Beejay · #4 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:34 AM

I agree with you guys, very hard to judge.

There are so many well finished cars out there it is amazing.

Keeps guys with cars in bits like me motivated!

Ben

Philm · #5 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 06:28 AM

Peter,
I disagree with your idea that the value of your cobra would determine the class it is to be Judged.

In my opinion cars that win S&S prizes are cars that have a lot of time thrown at them not money.

3 weeks to prepare a car for a show and shine, you should be in "elite" class

However I do agree with yourself and Matt, I rather be judged by my fellow Cobra owners anyday. Now that is a trophy that would go straight to the pool room.

While I am at it, The best part of our sport is the amount of innovation, design and creativity that every cobra displays. WE should have awards for best engineered, best inovation etc etc.

Phil

400TT · #6 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Philm

WE should have awards for best engineered, best inovation etc etc.

Now that's a good idea.

PCC · #7 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 06:46 AM

Phil,

Beg to differ on the value basis.

I remember a certain Harlequin Cobra that ran out at the Nationals a few years back - beautiful car, but worth $90,000 then.

How can a $50,000 car compete with a similar model, but which has had $40,000 more spent on it.

Maybe that's why the V8 Supercars have been "salary capped" from a cost / spend viewpoint i.e creating a level playing field and providing more competition.

Speed is objective. Looks is unfortunately not.

Which would you prefer - Megan Gale or Jenny Hawkins?

Bit like a Cobra really - either would be bloody fantastic.

PS - Like the artwork

PCC · #8 (**permalink**) 11-02-2007, 05:15 AM

I'm sorry to say but Show n Shine's are very subjective indeed!

I've won quite a few trophies, winning on some occasions only to find later on when competing against a similar or even the same car I come away without a mention in dispatches.

I'm not getting at the Judges as they have a difficult job indeed based upon current criteria etc. Plus you will never please everybody.

My advice - keep it simple and keep it consistent.

I think the People's choice Trophy is worth far more than other trophy.

Like it or not we are not a Marque, we are a Replica that looks the business.

A novel approach would be to be judged by price category (if it could be done)

Say up to $50k, $50k to $80k, and then above. This would help to put all such custom cars on a level playing field.

How can my DRB compete against Cam's Superformance????? Easy, steal his keys the night before.

I've moved away from such competitions after realising that 3 weeks work for a $20 trophy is rather pointless.