my first disgusted spectator

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

Dang Bobby, did you just feel like dredging up the past? Threads been done almost a year.

It's been the slowest around here that I can remember in years. All we've had is a couple of ERA builds. It's time to start dredging up old threads....

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

It's been the slowest around here that I can remember in years. All we've had is a couple of ERA builds. It's time to start dredging up old threads....

Yep, you're right. Maybe we should start another one of those ubiquitous threads where outcome is fait accompli, you know, kinda like another "magnesium wheel thread." Just for old time sake.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Yep, you're right. Maybe we should start another one of those ubiquitous threads where outcome is fait accompli, you know, kinda like another "magnesium wheel thread." Just for old time sake.

Let's see... all cars other than ERAs suck, all engines other than FEs suck, small blocks are crap, solid rears are garbage, I know more than anyone on this forum about everything there is to know, ehhhrrr... that ought to do it.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Let's see... all cars other than ERAs suck, all engines other than FEs suck, small blocks are crap, solid rears are garbage, I know more than anyone on this forum about everything there is to know, ehhhrrr... that ought to do it.

I think "all engines other than FEs suck" is still too broad. It should be "all engines other than 427-based FEs suck" and "Cobras with more than one roll bar suck" should also be incorporated.

[ERA Chas]

Originally Posted by patrickt

Let's see... all cars other than ERAs suck, all engines other than FEs suck, small blocks are crap, solid rears are garbage, I know more than anyone on this forum about everything there is to know, ehhhrrr... that ought to do it.

My BS Alarm just went off...

[Learjockey1]

There's probably a good reason for that. Generally hot rodders are trying to improve the performance of a vehicle, not go the other way.

In that case they would have gone with an FE cammer

[ZOERA-SC7XX]

A small block Chevy 383 or 396 stroker would be awesome in a Cobra. Just have to keep the hood closed when out & about. Maybe custom welded rocker covers...who would know? I wouldn't hesitate if I wanted cheap power. 5k gets you maybe 650 HP in a sbc. double or triple that cost for a Ford engine, more for a FE. Sometimes it's just about economics.

[ERA Chas]

Re-bleed the cylinder after tightening-but as The World's Most Interesting Man--you knew that.

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

...but as The World's Most Interesting Man--you knew that.

Of course. I'll get right on it just as soon as I finish this delicious grilled Maine lobster.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Re-bleed the cylinder after tightening-but as The World's Most Interesting Man--you knew that.

Chas, go write for Leno or Letterman. World's Most Interesting Man.....that's rich.

[AL427SBF]

427w SBF vs. the traditional 427FE BB?
Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE.
Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)
Same Dimensions as 351w.
Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE.
Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)
Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford.
Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block.
Runs thousands less in cost to a Big BLock.
Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood.

Partial list of course, the decision is trivial

[crASH]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

427w SBF vs. the traditional 427FE BB?

Partial list of course, the decision is trivial

man o man- you better duck

[Aussie Mike]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

427w SBF vs. the traditional 427FE BB?
Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE.
Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)
Same Dimensions as 351w.
Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE.
Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)
Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford.
Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block.
Runs thousands less in cost to a Big BLock.
Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood.

Partial list of course, the decision is trivial

Just for Popcorn...

How about we throw the LS7 in the mix.

427W: "Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE."

LS7 weighs approx 400 pounds (458 pounds fully trimmed) which is about 120 pounds lighter than an iron head 351W based motor. However the gap is a little closer if you run alloy heads.

427W: "Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)"

LS7 has Titanium con rods from the factory, 6 bolt main bearing caps, factory dry sump etc.

427W "Same Dimensions as 351w."

LS7: Smaller than 351W

427W "Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE."

LS7: Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 351W

427W "Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)"

LS7: 475ft/lbs factory stock. This is a conservative factory rating. Dyno tests of stock crate engines have shown this number to be closer to 500. Add a cam and that number will jump to well over 500ft/lbs and 600+ HP.

First Exclusive Dyno Test of a 427 ci LS7 Crate Engine - Hot Rod Magazine


427W: "Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford."

LS7: designed to run on pump gas, drive to work during the week and then clean up at the track on the weekend. Comes with a factory warranty too.

427W "Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block."

LS7: Umm... Have you seen the times they run them round the Nuremberg Ring?

427W: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

LS7: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

Let the arguing begin... LOL!!

[undy]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

Just for Popcorn...

How about we throw the LS7 in the mix.

427W: "Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE."

LS7 weighs approx 400 pounds (458 pounds fully trimmed) which is about 120 pounds lighter than an iron head 351W based motor. However the gap is a little closer if you run alloy heads.

427W: "Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)"

LS7 has Titanium con rods from the factory, 6 bolt main bearing caps, factory dry sump etc.

427W "Same Dimensions as 351w."

LS7: Smaller than 351W

427W "Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE."

LS7: Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 351W

427W "Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)"

LS7: 475ft/lbs factory stock. This is a conservative factory rating. Dyno tests of stock crate engines have shown this number to be closer to 500. Add a cam and that number will jump to well over 500ft/lbs and 600+ HP.

First Exclusive Dyno Test of a 427 ci LS7 Crate Engine - Hot Rod Magazine


427W: "Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford."

LS7: designed to run on pump gas, drive to work during the week and then clean up at the track on the weekend. Comes with a factory warranty too.

427W "Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block."

LS7: Umm... Have you seen the times they run them round the Nuremberg Ring?

427W: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

LS7: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

Let the arguing begin... LOL!!

Yesssssiiiirr... Does right well nestled between the carbon fiber fenders of my Z06 A tune and headers yielded 509 at the tires, sad to say 30 more HP than my KC all aluminum 482" side oiler laid down.

Sorry though... BB side oiler (or at least a FE) all the way in a Cobra. But... I do understand the emissions, gov't red tape, import laws etc, etc... that you're faced with. In your shoes, I probably would go the same route. The LS7 is one mean mutha

[cobrarkc]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

Just for Popcorn...

How about we throw the LS7 in the mix.

427W: "Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE."

LS7 weighs approx 400 pounds (458 pounds fully trimmed) which is about 120 pounds lighter than an iron head 351W based motor. However the gap is a little closer if you run alloy heads.

427W: "Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)"

LS7 has Titanium con rods from the factory, 6 bolt main bearing caps, factory dry sump etc.

427W "Same Dimensions as 351w."

LS7: Smaller than 351W

427W "Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE."

LS7: Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 351W

427W "Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)"

LS7: 475ft/lbs factory stock. This is a conservative factory rating. Dyno tests of stock crate engines have shown this number to be closer to 500. Add a cam and that number will jump to well over 500ft/lbs and 600+ HP.

First Exclusive Dyno Test of a 427 ci LS7 Crate Engine - Hot Rod Magazine


427W: "Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford."

LS7: designed to run on pump gas, drive to work during the week and then clean up at the track on the weekend. Comes with a factory warranty too.

427W "Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block."

LS7: Umm... Have you seen the times they run them round the Nuremberg Ring?

427W: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

LS7: "Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood."

Let the arguing begin... LOL!!

You know this all sounds great, the only problem I have is, does anyone remember the last time a Chevy won the Engine Masters Challenge? I know my memory isn't what it use to be but I can't think of any.

[Tommy]

Originally Posted by cobrarkc

You know this all sounds great, the only problem I have is, does anyone remember the last time a Chevy won the Engine Masters Challenge? I know my memory isn't what it use to be but I can't think of any.

Not to get into the Ford vs Chevy fight, but can anyone tell me if an engine from the Engine Masters competition ever saw life under the hood of a running car? I'm genuinely curious as to whether one of those laboratory bred monsters could actually function as an automobile engine.

[Aussie Mike]

Originally Posted by cobrarkc

You know this all sounds great, the only problem I have is, does anyone remember the last time a Chevy won the Engine Masters Challenge? I know my memory isn't what it use to be but I can't think of any.

How many of those engines actually contained any Ford parts? Most of them are built from aftermarket parts that have been designed around a particular basic design. About the only thing common with the original engine is the placement of various bolt holes.

[cobrarkc]

Originally Posted by Aussie Mike

How many of those engines actually contained any Ford parts? Most of them are built from aftermarket parts that have been designed around a particular basic design. About the only thing common with the original engine is the placement of various bolt holes.

Just like all the GM and Mopar's that are in the competiton. They all abid by the same rules.

[tin-man]

Originally Posted by AL427SBF

427w SBF vs. the traditional 427FE BB?
Weighs approx. 200lbs. less than a Big Block 427FE.
Improved internals over factory 351w. (Forged Connecting Rods, Crank and Pistons)
Same Dimensions as 351w.
Approx. 2-3 inches less in Width and Height than 427FE.
Huge Torque increase over factory 351 engine (500+lbs. when built properly)
Runs Cooler than a Big Block Ford.
Vehicle Handles and Corners Better than a Big Block Engine.
Just as Fast or Faster 0-60 or 0-100mph times than a Big Block.
Runs thousands less in cost to a Big BLock.
Still have the bragging rights of a 427 cubic inch engine under the hood.

Partial list of course, the decision is trivial

But does it sound the same as a BB? tin-man

[Aussie Mike]

Just saw your avatar Tin-Man. I spent a lot of time working up in China and saw heaps of those big diesel tillers chugging along the road with a big trailer on the back. Invariably with about 5 ton of rock piled on it too.