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patrickt 12-22-2009 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1011682)
I'm done Pat. They'll probably lock this thread as worthless...
Merry Christmas, Chas. ;)

ERA Chas 12-22-2009 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011683)
Merry Christmas, Chas. ;)
You too Pat. May we both live to fight another day.;)

RedBarchetta 12-22-2009 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1011674)
Well Patty me boy, yet another reason you get the Perpetual A$$clown Award...I really wish Peter would institute a screening process to prevent morons from writing checks to buy ERA cars. When the boys built it for you, the tip-off was the request for two rollbars covered in rubber HVAC insulation...
:LOL::LOL::LOL:

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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1011674)
...I hope the real FFR, SPF, etc guys who have been pee'd on by him don't judge all of us ERA owners as smug a$$es.
Hey, every village has their idiot. At least ERA's is far and away easily identified. We won't hold it against ERA...they make very fine cars indeed.

Back on topic...I haven't run solid lifters since my '70 1/2 Z-28 days. Adjusting the rocker arms every 2-3K miles was cool for a while, then it got old (especially when the car was my daily driver). I really love the hydraulic roller technology that we have today...still makes great power down low (where it's used the most) and I never have to lift the valve covers. I miss the sound of them sometimes, but a little loud pedal overcomes that quickly.

Carry on, gents.

-Dean

Bobcat 12-22-2009 10:58 AM
I`ve got both ... obviously not on one car . My ERA has hydraulic rollers and according to the dyno sheet makes 620 ft/lbs at 4100 rpm and 612 hp at 5800 rpm ... and the torque curve is almost flat . Robert said it can go 6300 to 6400 rpm ... but why , as max power is at 5800 ?? There are certainly guys out there making a bunch more hp and torque , but I`m happy , and so far my valve adjustment will be limited to once a year if then . My 427 solid lifter Galaxie is another story , as I go through those valves in the spring and winter when I put it away .... and there are always several that are off by about 3 thou .
Which is better ??? Depends on you and what you want/like to do . If you love adjusting valves and the sound a solid lifter engine makes , go with solid lifters ... if you want to make good power and have minimum maintenance , go with hydraulic rollers ... jmho .

Bob

trularin 12-22-2009 11:06 AM
I like this response, "I run solids because there more "manly"." thanks Ernie.

:D

trularin 12-22-2009 11:09 AM
"Not even Pat singing show tunes is going to help the skins tonight."

You really know how to picture the unimaginable.

:LOL:

RodKnock 12-22-2009 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011670)
What Ernie was trying to say is that the mere fact that you have rollers on your lifters does not make up for the fact that you are losing a third of your usable RPMs because you went hydro.
Can you explain this one to me? Does this mean I'm losing my power between 6,000-9,000 RPM. If so, I don't spend a lot of time in that RPM range.

Ernie, you should get a set of Webers, I hear they bring even more "oneness" with your engine. :LOL:

Roller lifters...no ZDDP issues.

I may install a solid roller in my SOHC build. :rolleyes:

patrickt 12-22-2009 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1011743)
Can you explain this one to me? Does this mean I'm losing my power between 6,000-9,000 RPM. If so, I don't spend a lot of time in that RPM range.
It's that extra 1500 RPM (or more) that you get at the top end, and "usable RPMs" begin around 3000. Solids give you roughly a third more usable RPMs.

Excaliber 12-22-2009 01:45 PM
RodKnock, oh yeah, if your looking for intimate time with your motor and LOTS of it, Webers would certainly be ideal. :)

ERA Chas 12-22-2009 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011745)
It's that extra 1500 RPM (or more) that you get at the top end, and "usable RPMs" begin around 3000. Solids give you roughly a third more usable RPMs.
You miss Rod's point that since he makes 600 LbFt +/- at say 5800, (as most of the 482's do) what further use does he have for "usable" RPM above that?

Further-to what end? He isn't running laps or looking for tenths. How much time do you spend north of 5700 that solids were a requisite for you?

patrickt 12-22-2009 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ERA Chas (Post 1011770)
You miss Rod's point that since he makes 600 LbFt +/- at say 5800, (as most of the 482's do) what further use does he have for "usable" RPM above that?

Further-to what end? He isn't running laps or looking for tenths. How much time do you spend north of 5700 that solids were a requisite for you?
No, I believe Rod is tracking his car, or plans to (he will correct me if I'm wrong on that). But my point is not limited solely to the power/time numbers, but rather to the enjoyment of the engine itself. When you have more rev potential, the engine is more fun to run -- you know that. This whole hobby is simply about having fun with our cars. If we were looking purely for the lowest speed times, we could have built something better for a lot less than we spent.

RodKnock 12-22-2009 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by trularin (Post 1011718)
"Not even Pat singing show tunes is going to help the skins tonight."

You really know how to picture the unimaginable.

:LOL:
For some odd reason when I think of Patrick and show tunes together, I have this vision:



:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

patrickt 12-22-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1011814)
For some odd reason when I think of Patrick and show tunes together, I have this vision:
Aww, she's a sweetie. I really like her.:D

RodKnock 12-22-2009 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011776)
No, I believe Rod is tracking his car, or plans to (he will correct me if I'm wrong on that). But my point is not limited solely to the power/time numbers, but rather to the enjoyment of the engine itself. When you have more rev potential, the engine is more fun to run -- you know that. This whole hobby is simply about having fun with our cars. If we were looking purely for the lowest speed times, we could have built something better for a lot less than we spent.
I haven't tracked the Cobra yet, but I'd like to in the future, and that would include SAAC 35. Chas, is right. Power and RPM numbers are about right on. How much MORE enjoyment is there with my car at 6,000-7,500 RPM? I ran a solid lifter cam in an LS6 454 that I had installed in my '66 Vette. If you're making power in that 6,000-7,500 RPM range, the cam has to fairly unstreetable.

patrickt 12-22-2009 07:26 PM
Probably not much. Did you ever check your rev limiter?

RodKnock 12-22-2009 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011818)
Probably not much. Did you ever check your rev limiter?
Nope, been busy. Now, I'm out of town. :D

Anyway, my issue may have resolved itself. :rolleyes:

patrickt 12-22-2009 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1011820)
Anyway, my issue may have resolved itself. :rolleyes:
Huh... anything you'd like to share?

trularin 12-22-2009 08:03 PM
Change the name of the thread to Patrick's show tunes.

Pat, you need to go on the road.

:LOL: :LOL:

patrickt 12-22-2009 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by trularin (Post 1011824)
Change the name of the thread to Patrick's show tunes.

Pat, you need to go on the road.

:LOL: :LOL:
I think I'll put the Cobra in her ziplock bag tomorrow. I'm not going to get another ride until Spring.:(

Gunner 12-22-2009 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1011825)
I'm not going to get another ride until Spring.:(
Have you tried winter-weight hookers?


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