FE Injection

[redmt]

I traded back for my old Algon injection setup. I'm wondering about converting it over to EFI, put it up for sale or put it on the shelf for nostalgia purposes. It's a really cool looking setup. To me there is nothing better than an eight stack set up. I know I'm not going to try and run it like it is as I never could get it to run right before.

John

[Dimis]

8 stack injection has always been my preference for a cobra.

It's purely a visual thing for me...
Old Skool look - with the benefits of EFI...

I'd say I'm in the minority...

[rustyBob]

Thats cool looking John.....i think someone could convert it to EFI...its worth a phone call to see if it can be done....or just give it to me and ill put it on my next Rat Rod...

[redmt]

It would be great on a rat rod! What you got in mind?

[Racer_X]

Polish that thing up and convert it to EFI - that would be very high on the Cool scale.

[redmt]

Originally Posted by Racer_X

Polish that thing up and convert it to EFI - that would be very high on the Cool scale.

That's sort of what I was thinking. Where would I start finding the components to convert it? I skimmed around a couple of the injection mfg's and couldn't really come up with the components.

[lamaluv]

You might give Bob at Imagine Injection in Phoenix a call. I'm sure he could tell home to convert your system. It would make avery cool EFI.

Dick

[westcott cobra]

If you want to cover modern injectors a bit old school here is some source:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:en

[Ken Oikawa]

Sell the Algon FI.
Buy EFI for an FE from Hilborn or Kinsler.

Or get Kinsler to modify your Algon to EFI.
For parts check Kinsler's Catalogue, most of needed items can be found there.

Check my gallery for my TP SEFI.

Cheers....

[RICK LAKE]

redmt Red what are you looking for? If you are looking to go FI system, Look at the TWM setup. If your Algon is in good mechanical shape I wouldn't chop it up. If you are looking for some one WHO knows and has done this swap, Jay Brown on the FE forum. It's on a cammer but the same thing. I think would would really like the TWM's. You would need a upgrade for the fuel system, large supply 1/2" and return 3/8" or 5/16", a dual distributor from FAST. Some one to tune up the system. Been running a fast system for 15 years and no problems. Works as good as what you drive. Rick L.

[Barry_R]

I've done a couple conversions - but not to an Algon. Normally not too tough. You need to locate a position for bungs and fuel rails that will not interfere with the linkage - and get the welder going. We make the rails from purchased extrusion stock. This is usually a situation where you may sacrifice some of the design optimization in favor of the cosmetics.

The most recent stack style EFI we did used a FAST

[redmt]

Originally Posted by westcott cobra

If you want to cover modern injectors a bit old school here is some source:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tchlink:top:en

Thanks for the tip! I've gone back and forth with Fran a couple times, and it seems that the conversion to EFI may be fairly painless. http://foxinjection.com/index.html

Rick, good question. I'm not exactly sure what I'm looking for. I guess I'm looking for the best of ALL worlds. High cool factor, best performance, NFW setup (No Fxxx With) and fantastic mileage all running on 89 octane pump gas. I'll probably have to give up one or more of them.

Thanks for all the input

John

[Michael C Henry]

I expect major advancements in fuel injection in years to come . I read a banner that was going accross the screen during a Nascar race that said for the 2012 season they were going to fuel injection You put those guys on a mission they will find something others have missed.

[lovehamr]

John said it. Isn't it amaizing how arruminum can make wood?
http://foxinjection.com/index.html

[redmt]

Originally Posted by lovehamr

John said it. Isn't it amaizing how arruminum can make wood?
http://foxinjection.com/index.html

Where does the water outlet return with a manifold like this? My Algon has a couple 3/8 pipe outlets that could be plumbed. There is room on the bosses to go to 3/4 pipe but what about a thermostat?

FYI, I had a running Q&A going with Fox and he just dropped off the playing field.

[Dumpling]

Originally Posted by redmt

I traded back for my old Algon injection setup. I'm wondering about converting it over to EFI, put it up for sale or put it on the shelf for nostalgia purposes. It's a really cool looking setup. To me there is nothing better than an eight stack set up. I know I'm not going to try and run it like it is as I never could get it to run right before.

John

It look's like it needs a total rebuild. The throttle shafts, probably the plates. The stacks need to be cleaned/scalded/something, and it seems to be missing the Maytag pump the Algon system used.

Your best bet would be to convert it to EFI. That would mean getting the basic manifold cleaned up and functioning.

After that, it's pretty simple. If it is seeming difficult to you, maybe you should let someone else take over the project.

The project goes like this:
1) rebuild/refurbish the manifold
2) drill out and tap the existing injection holes for modern electronic injectors
3) locate, drill and tap holes to mount the fuel rails to
4) mount fuel rails over the injectors
5) decide what efi system you'll be using
6) you need to mount a MAP, MAT and water temperature sensor, find spots for those. The MAP might require a box linked up to each runner to get an "average" vacuum reading.
7)...
I'm tired of typing, let me know if you really want to learn more.

Total cost for conversion is probably going to be north of $5,000.

Good luck.

[redmt]

Originally Posted by Dumpling

It look's like it needs a total rebuild. The throttle shafts, probably the plates. The stacks need to be cleaned/scalded/something, and it seems to be missing the Maytag pump the Algon system used.

Your best bet would be to convert it to EFI. That would mean getting the basic manifold cleaned up and functioning.

After that, it's pretty simple. If it is seeming difficult to you, maybe you should let someone else take over the project.

The project goes like this:
1) rebuild/refurbish the manifold
2) drill out and tap the existing injection holes for modern electronic injectors
3) locate, drill and tap holes to mount the fuel rails to
4) mount fuel rails over the injectors
5) decide what efi system you'll be using
6) you need to mount a MAP, MAT and water temperature sensor, find spots for those. The MAP might require a box linked up to each runner to get an "average" vacuum reading.
7)...
I'm tired of typing, let me know if you really want to learn more.

Total cost for conversion is probably going to be north of $5,000.

Good luck.

The condition of the shafts and butterflies are in good shape. I got the manifold in the late 70's and only tried to run it once. I traded it to a buddy and it has sat since then. It's loaded with shelf rust and bat ****. I just traded back for it. I have a couple different metering blocks and Enderle and Algon barrel valves. I have a couple different Hillborn fuel pumps. I don't figure to use anything except the basic manifold. I think the stacks belong on a shelf somewhere.

Drilling , tapping and mounting "stuff' is Machinist 101. Your #5 is where it gets dicey. I no next to nothing about EFI and what I do know is probably wrong.

I'm hoping to run individual fuel lines to the stacks, I think, don't know if that is even a possibility. I just think it looks cooler. No other reason than that.

PM me your phone # and I'll try not to waste too much of your time.
John

[Dumpling]

I'm not in the business of conversion.

I'd think Hilborn would convert an Algon manifold, or offer to sell you an FE Hilborn manifold already converted, probably for less money.

As mentioned above, Kinsler might be another place to look, or Wilson manifolds.

What you want is someone with the bit that will mill the injector hole properly...it has a seat, and you want a tight fit. The rest is, as you say, machinist 101.

The hilborn pumps etc are only of interest if you want to get the mechanical injection system working. For an efi system, they aren't needed and can't be used.

As for the efi system, I don't want to give an opinion. It's all about what you want your level of involvement to be, and what you think your programming skill level is. The most important thing to consider in choosing an aftermarket efi system is the level of support that is available to you locally and if not locally, at least the capability of web-support, maybe even being able to hook up your engine and getting it tuned remotely.

I've seen individual feeds to injectors. It gets pricey, and I'm not sure that the tubing used on old mechanical injection systems are up to the pressures needed. If you get creative, you might convert the distribution block and the tubes, to a vacuum bank for your MAP sensor. Don't forget you'll need a TPS sensor mounted on the linkage somewhere.

You probably won't be able to use an IAC, so you'll need to provide idle air by adjusting the throttle blades.

Again, and finally, it's really about how involved you want to be in your project.

Here's the Hilborn version of what you probably want: http://www.hilborninjection.com/prod...=368&CatId=176