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Just because this thread about the Q/T bells tends to get propagated across several forums....
Someone took this Club Cobra thread and ran with it on the FE forum.
One of the responses there was:
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Same with a Lakewood
In my car the flywheel exploded and the boltheads were pulled through the Lakewood housing. My Lakewood ended up looking very similar to the one in the picture. Mine went on the 3/4 shift. Cut the steering and the brakes.
Just because this thread about the Q/T bells tends to get propagated across several forums....
Someone took this Club Cobra thread and ran with it on the FE forum.
One of the responses there was:
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Same with a Lakewood
In my car the flywheel exploded and the boltheads were pulled through the Lakewood housing. My Lakewood ended up looking very similar to the one in the picture. Mine went on the 3/4 shift. Cut the steering and the brakes.
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"OMG I'M never gonna run a Lakewood omg! the ceo must be a liar, and cheats!" I wonder how many of these would show up... not as many as the Quicktime, hah.
I have no concerns whatsoever in running a Quicktime set up in our car (soon to be car in a month, yay).
People get so caught up in the littlest, inconsequential, blown out of proportion, things on the internet it is ridiculous.
**Edit: Also, I'm not an engineer but I totally agree (after reading that first thread) that the bolts/block failed in that situation, and also with this new Lakewood incident. BUT, I'm not going to continue talking about that event **
Last edited by Avmaviator; 04-21-2011 at 10:01 AM..
Well, it's not really a little or inconsequential matter when a clutch or flywheel explodes, but the points here are:
I know that, and I was applying that to a lot of things in general, not just this specific topic. Definitely not inconsequential when you could get mangled
Ok, I was leaving it alone, but you dragged me back in.
NEW DATA:
This morning I spoke with Jennifer Faye, Program Manager at SFI.
and to paraphrase our conversation:
SFI has NO RECORD of part number RM -8010 passing any SFI testing.
to be clear... RM-8010 HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED!!
She stated that while the basic shape and depth of the housing may be the same as those that have been tested, passed and certified previously, the lack of lower containment bolts constitutes a substantial change in design and is therefore considered a new model, requiring new design validation if the claim is to be made. She also reasserted the position that any “SFI” references on the websites must be removed from part numbers that have not successfully completed all of the required testing.
No manufacture can claim “Fail proof” and none do to the best of my knowledge.
This discussion WAS about Quick Times claim that the part # RM8010 has “Passed all SFI testing” That false statement, lead at least one person to purchase that part number, believing it was certified.
I bad mouth the advertising practice and those responsible for its design and in its continued propagation.
To be clear….again, Lakewood also has part numbers that lack the lower containment bolts, the difference is that they very clearly state it is NOT a “safety housing”
I do like the reference to the Feforum post, (the Pinto with the Injected Cammer looks cool!) Did SFI exist then? Was it a certified housing using all the correct bolts? Having been in and around several small block V8 Pintos back in the 80s, I recall there being considerable ground clearance issues. Looking at the photo, the motor sits very low in the chassis. I can only imagine how much grinding on the bottom of an FE bell housing was required to get the motor low enough for the front of the valve covers to clear the hood, But, I digress… Clearly not enough data here to form an actual opinion, right Brent?
NEW DATA:
I just spoke with Graham Fordyce, Eng Mgr, for Prestolite. He also stated that he has no report on file or evidence of testing for the part numbers in question. He stated to me, that they are in the process of reviewing all of the QT advertising information and will be REMOVING all references to SFI testing for items that have not been tested.
But, I digress… Clearly not enough data here to form an actual opinion, right Brent?
That's exactly right. Your speculation about the bottom of that bellhousing being cut off is completely without evidence or support.
If there was a dead horse around here, I'd be kicking the poop out of it.
Rod, in Jason's defense, the 8010 that he's referencing is the bellhousing that got all of this started to begin with.
However, I will again state my opinion on this: unless someone can recreate the very incident that occured in a lab and they're able to nail it down to being 150% the bellhousing's fault, then all of this is pointless. When the bellhousing is basically undamaged and the mounting bosses are pulled out of the block, I find it hard to believe that it's the bell's fault...especially when we have testimony of a beloved Lakewood "failing" the same way.
All of this is pointless....including all of the "minions" that hop around from forum to forum warning everyone about that one incident of a Quicktime failure, on a dyno, where the bolts pulled out of the block.
All of this is pointless....including all of the "minions" that hop around from forum to forum warning everyone about that one incident of a Quicktime failure, on a dyno, where the bolts pulled out of the block.
Never trust those "minions":
By all means, let's "grind" on the 8010 all day long, but practically speaking, the vast majority of us do NOT have a 460 installed in our Cobra. So while Jason continues to reference this infamous 8010 bellhousing, he and the "minions" are actually indicting the entire line of QT bellhousings.
Which is fine and dandy, but I would need to see at least some signed and notarized affadavits first from these people. For all know, they're copying their butts on the copy machines at some local Kinkos.
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