For those of you running quicktimes.............

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Sorry Jamo,

Ok no name calling, my bad.

Brent,
Not attacking you personally. But when you say the two designs offer the same protection level, I disagree completely and because it is a safety item, I am passionate about the misinformation you spread.
I have no doubt that your customers that have not had failures are very happy with the design. However the failure we have seen was complete and total. The housing failed in every design aspect it was sold on. Wouldn’t have protected passengers or saved the block from damage. But I guess that doesn’t matter to you because he wasn’t your customer?

Not first hand information? “opinion of others” Be clear, only my shipping weight data came from Summit LOL. They are an unbiased source that has ready access to such data. That’s why I called them.

“If you clothesline yourself riding a motorcycle and your head pops off, is it the helmet's fault?”
LOL, That is ridiculous analogy. Totally outside the design intent and area of effect for the device, But if you must:
If the MFG claimed this model of helmet offered the same level of protection as the certified “anti-decapitation” model and as a result of that claim was purchased by a customer, used and resulted in the consumers beheading.
It would be the MFG’s responsibility to prove that the helmet in question had been tested to the same anti-decapitation requirements and if he could not prove compliance through test data, I would charge that the MFG has liability in as far as his statements indirectly led to the death and dismemberment of the consumer.
(Any Liability attorneys want to comment here?)

I am re-stating first hand information from the people who have had a failure, are closest to the issue and have their hands on ALL of the actual test data that exists. Now you state that I can’t make telephone calls for information? If I actually go there would that be ok? Not so much…
Just like rODnOck, No answer will be acceptable to you. You won’t do the research yourself, and now I’m not even allowed to call for it, lest I be publicly called a liar.
(“Post some real data, anyone can say they called” )
And that’s the best part of your argument. There is no data, none exists, there is nothing to post. It’s a brilliant strategy you have. “I’ll claim he is lying, ask him to produce data that the design can’t pass the test, knowing that it was never tested!!”
So who is lying Brent and why:
In advertising, it is the claimants responsibility to prove the claim when challenged.
The former owner never proved it and he has been MIA since this issue came up. Now you carry the torch for him. You bang the sales drum loudly, now you make the claim for him, so Ill ask you again to PROVE IT!
I wish you would do the research on the product that you so loudly claim to be the superior. But sadly you won’t, because there is no money in it for you to prove QT’s claim is false.
Is that where it ends for you Brent?

Why don’t you speak to Graham Fordyce at Prestolite and get some facts about failures.
And in the end, I will not call you a lair for trying.

You say you have data, what kind of data do you have to prove you claim? What measurement or testimony do you have showing this design can withstand a failure? We know it’s capable of holding the transmission to the block. Is that all it’s good for? Maybe a cast aluminum housing would be a better choice? Since neither will contain the failure, they are cheaper, lighter and your block has a higher chance of surviving.

“Someone please prove that this was absolutely the bellhousing's fault.”
“However, common sense, an engineering background..”
Both of those statement fly in the face of your position. And based on your position, you have neither.
What engineering discipline or logical thought process would argue that two containment vessels relying on a the radial distribution of high strength fasteners as its load bearing members offer equal capability when one vessel is only fastened at 50% of its perimeter?
As before, that is utterly ridiculous. That you either can’t see it or won’t acknowledge is frightening for your customers.

I agree with Mr. Clayton completely, does that mean you will call him a liar too? Sadly it is your job to educate your customers on the differences in the housings, not blow smoke up their arses and tell them that “Pretty Sticker” crap. Ask Jerry if he feels the sticker guaranteeing the design meets the spec is worthless when QT says both designs do?


Jason