Dry sump vs wet sump

[mreid]

All the failures of wet sump systems referred to earlier in this thread are almost entirely the result of improper part selection. You can make the same poor part selection with a dry sump system, but you have many more opportunities for mistakes. I would never run a dry sump system in a cobra or any other project unless it was exclusively used for racing with a regular racing maintanence schedule.

[DAVID GAGNARD]

I have a Canton road race baffled pan with the trap doors in my road race car (65 Mustang), 8 quart capacity, also using a Melling High Perfomance, standard volume/standard pressure oil pump........under the hardest/longest turns I can do, the oil pressure has never changed.....
Get a good road race pan and you'll be fine.......

David

[4pipes]

Originally Posted by mreid

I would never run a dry sump system in a cobra or any other project unless it was exclusively used for racing with a regular racing maintanence schedule.

I have the Aviaid dry sump system in my Kirkham and it's been faultless with 16,000 mile on the clock.

[PatBuckley]

Originally Posted by 4pipes

I have the Aviaid dry sump system in my Kirkham and it's been faultless with 16,000 mile on the clock.

....and I have a picture of the virgin fender just as it was getting defiled....

[Cobra #3170]

For what it is worth, I had a Canton Pan with an Accusump and lost an engine in a big way because of no oil pressure. It got one head, 3 rods and two pistons. I was coming around a long sweeper at high RPM when it failed. I have since installed a Dailey dry sump pump and Stefs pan and oil tank with #16 lines for feed and return.
I believe this is the best system available, we also gained 13 HP because of the vacuum it pulls in the pan. We tried it vented and unvented to see the effect on output. I don't believe an Aviad system will pull a vacuum in the pan but could be wrong about that. The Ford GT and Z06/ZR1 Corvettes both use dry sumps in production vehicles because when you can pull over 1.0 G, oil control is an issue.

[D-CEL]

Dry sumps are better for a high performance application plain and simple.
I don’t agree with the logic here. When your spending $100k on a car, $30k of that tied up in a super cool, all aluminum, wiz bang piece of mechanical jewelry. You decide to save a few bucks on the Oiling system? LOL really? You guys are killing me! LOL
Wet sumps certainly work to a certain level, but most guy around here shot right past that level years ago!

Rodknock,

“Chocolate cake wins too” How did you get there?
So dry sumps are like chocolate cake? All calories, carbs, fat and sugar, with no nutritional value? Really? Dude, your analogies just plain suck.
Let me help, god knows you need it.

Wet sumps are like ex wives: they work, for a while, then you learn that there is a much better system out there. You can hang in there, stick with it because it’s cheaper and easier, but in the end catastrophic failure will be the result if pushed to hard.

Dry sumps.. Well dry sumps are like young, smoking hot girl friends: They are expensive, require a higher level of attention and involvement. However in return for that cost and added complexity, They look great, perform at the highest level possible and generally superior in everyway.
And they pull vacuum…..

I’m with Jerry and Bruce

Dry sump!!! #1

Jason

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by D-CEL

Rodknock,

“Chocolate cake wins too” How did you get there?
So dry sumps are like chocolate cake? All calories, carbs, fat and sugar, with no nutritional value? Really? Dude, your analogies just plain suck.
Let me help, god knows you need it.

Wet sumps are like ex wives: they work, for a while, then you learn that there is a much better system out there. You can hang in there, stick with it because it’s cheaper and easier, but in the end catastrophic failure will be the result if pushed to hard.

Dry sumps.. Well dry sumps are like young, smoking hot girl friends: They are expensive, require a higher level of attention and involvement. However in return for that cost and added complexity, They look great, perform at the highest level possible and generally superior in everyway.
And they pull vacuum…..

I’m with Jerry and Bruce

Dry sump!!! #1

Jason

I got THERE with an analogy. If you ignore the cost and complexity and/or, if you ignore the fat and calories, then dry sumps and chocolate cake are the best!

It was humor, but maybe I only understand my humor.

[SoTxButler]

Just Dreamin

Don't know which V10 you are talking about, but if it is a Viper, there are some pans available. Check Dry Sump Oil Pumps.

They also manufacture a dry sump pan for the FE motor. And, with their setup, you avoid all the lines from the pan to the pump. The pump is mounted on a manifold that scavenges directly from the pan...no hoses. The only hoses are from the tank and the pressure side to the motor. There are some pics in my photos that show the setup.

Good Luck

[4pipes]

Originally Posted by PatBuckley

....and I have a picture of the virgin fender just as it was getting defiled....

Defiled, is that like getting rear ended?

[PatBuckley]

LOL - I knew there was at least one joke in that comment!

Good one.

The other joke had to do with the fact that I got the car with a "file" finish.....

[mhacars]

I have a Aviaid dry sump system on my 468 cubic inch FE Shelby block and heads supercharged CSX Cobra with a custom tank and the only complaint I have is that the pump weeps oil out the front when the car sits. It sits a lot as my time is limited to enjoy it. I have been very happy with the Aviaid products to the extent that my 452 cubic inch alloy FE Shelby block/cast iron head SOHC motor has one as well. That one is going into a GT40. In my opinion, it you have a significant amount of money in the power plant it is worth it.