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Old 11-13-2011, 02:14 PM
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Hi everybody,

Anybody already deals with TNT ENGINEERING (custom builder of FE Engine on EBAY) ?

Any feedbacks / comments ?

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Old 11-13-2011, 08:22 PM
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Never heard of them. If they are reputable just google there name and you should find something. E-mail them and ask to talk with previouse customers.
What are you looking for we might be able to help you. It is seems to good to be true it probably is.

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Old 11-14-2011, 05:42 AM
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Default Not TNT Engineering - but I did get one of those ebay specials in here the other day

I'll let the photos do the talking first...but will say that it is very much a buyer beware world out there.

This engine came in from a customer who wanted me to check out his ebay acquisition. Truth be know, it's not that bad of a deal money wise. But it is definitely not anywhere near being what the ad claimed it to be.

The ad - with the seller's ID obliterated in case the guy is one of those lawyer types...very clearly states that this is a 428 engine with a buch of very clearly claimed parts and dimensions. No gray areas.




The customer was charged roughly twice the normal shipping costs, plus a $150 crating fee. At least the box is nice, and the engine arrived in good condition.




Once we started taking things apart it became very obvious that this was not looking like a 428. No "A" or "C" scratch in the bellhousing, no "428" cast in the water jackets either center or ends. Actually has a visible "352" cast into the end interior front jacket floor. All the date codes and casting numbers have been removed from this "service" block... We noticed a lot of hone grit/dirt in the cylinders. We did not run a full range of sonic tests, but spot checked it assembled and found a bunch of readings around .102 to .120, along with a few under .100 - notably .082 on the front wall. Just to be confident we calibrated the sonic meter against the machined "china wall".
Would it run - yes. Would it be durable - who's to say. Is it a 428 - no freaking way.




Since we know the block is bogus we checked the crank. It really is stamped "1U" and appears to be a real 428 crank. Cool. Ad claimes it is standard on both rods and mains - that is not true. Both bearings are clearly marked as .010 under Kings. A decent .010-.010 428 crank is worth half the sell price of the engine so I cannot understand the reasoning behing the "standard" claim.



The rods were said to be factory 428 parts with ARP bolts. They are factory passenger car rods - might have come from any non-CJ 428. But the bolts are standard rebuilder stuff - definitely not ARP. And the ones we removed just kinda fell out of the rod. I took a picture of ARP parts for comparison.



Heads are said to be GT390 and they have the exhaust pattern to match, along with some rudimentary port work. Valves were claimed to be Manley Severe Duty 2.06 and 1.65 and they are definitely not. Stampings match up to $4 rebuilder parts and they are stock sized 2.03 and 1.56. Guides have bronze liners installed and exhaust I examined have had the seat replaced. Springs were said to be doubles at 1.55 OD - they are single with dampers (an honest mistake?) and stock sized, with factory 2 piece retainers. I thought all my old GT390s came with CJ style single retainers - can somebody correct/check this? Pictures tell the tale:






I have LOTS more pictures, but its safe to say that this ebay 428 is not anywhere close to being legitimate - please, please, please be careful out there. There are not very many "super deals" in this hobby, and NONE of them are coming from ads like this!





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Wow!!!! This really makes you wonder about the honesty of the sellers I fear use ebay. This could all be an honest mistake, but I doubt it. More proof once again to only use a reputable builder when it comes to the motor. Too easy to hide all the false claims until it is too late. Great job Barry in documenting the false claims on this motor. Barry: which book did you publish on how to build a FE motor as I would like to get one as a guide to my build.
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ebay can be a great tool for getting your message out to the marketplace. And its sellers like this one that screw the business up for everybody - buyers get robbed and lose faith and interest, competitors have to deal with phony claims and impossible pricing.

The book is "How to Build Max Performance Ford FEs" - it's a Car Tech title that can be purchased online, at Amazon, or bookstores like Barnes and Noble...
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2007 - 429 cid FE MR - 659HP
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The book is "How to Build Max Performance Ford FEs" - it's a Car Tech title that can be purchased online, at Amazon, or bookstores like Barnes and Noble...
It's an excellent reference as well. I picked one up as soon as they came out. Thanks Barry!
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Great thread, but I'm just visiting. For some reason, I view every thread where lovehamr posts...
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Barry-thanks for taking the time to document the hard numbers.
Great eye-opener.
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Is the buyer requesting a refund in any way from the seller? Or maybe from Paypal?
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I believe that he intends to request a refund.
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Rabotnick, check your email brother....
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From the picture of the lower end with the crank shaft still installed, it appears the webbing at the mains does have the reinf like the 428 CJ block. I thought this was unique to the 428 CJ and not the other blocks. Is this correct?
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No, other blocks had them as well. I had a C5 390 block that had them, along with a wad of big truck blocks.
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Thanks for the info Brent. I'm learning something new all the time when it comes to these FE engines.
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