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fordracing65 03-08-2013 03:34 AM
Sound difference between hydraulic vs solid camshafts
 
What is the sound difference between a solid vs a hydraulic roller camshaft if the specs are the same, 482 fe for example????:confused:

RICK LAKE 03-08-2013 04:09 AM
What sound are you looking for?
 
fordracing65 Mufflers, camshaft profiles, high compression, and even tie bars for hydro roller lifters all can be heard. Motors with Webers when setup right can heard a sound pitch change when they clear out.
Are you looking for a nasty idle, Loud exhaust, or bug killer?? A little more info would help on the noise. Rick l. PS A solid camshaft and hydro roller camshaft don't have the same ramps for the profile and will give the motor a different tone with every else being the same. Hydro are really the way to go. I have run a set of crane hydro roller for 16 years and no problems with high oil pressures. They run like solids if setup with min valve lash.

blykins 03-08-2013 05:44 AM
Pete, you need the hydraulic cam......

vector1 03-08-2013 06:10 AM
solid--tap harumpa tap harumpa tap

hydraulic--harumpa harumpa harumpa

patrickt 03-08-2013 06:45 AM
From a different perspective...
 
Remember, for most of us, these are just toys. Grown up versions of the Hot Wheels cars we played with as kids. If you look at it that way, then you don't spec your car to squeeze every last ounce of power or performance or mechanical efficiency out of it. I chose the old SFT cam of mine because I like the noise it makes, leather because I like the smell, six-pin drives because I like the looks of them when I pull the wheels. These cars are nothing more than fun little diversions -- just treat them that way.

Jerry Clayton 03-08-2013 07:41 AM
IF your question is about why a solid cam has tappet noise where a hydraulic cam is quieter----------The hydraulic lifter is in constant contact with the cam lobe---solid tappets need to have valve lash clearance so the valves will completely close when the engine is cold, and depending on the cam/engine/manufacture will have clearances ranging from around .010 towards .030--------some companies was around .012 to .016 where Ford was I think .019 on Y Blocks and .025-.027 on the FEs------

So the cam wouldn't slap the tappet, cams were ground with a "clearance ramp", an area of the lobe that gradually took up the clearance over a few degrees of cam rotation--the FEs were destntively louder(so much so that Ford Quickly converted to hydraulics in the 332 /352s very early 1958----they identified these hydraulic engines with a spot of orange paint on the left(I think)side of the timing cover----

RodKnock 03-08-2013 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1234336)
Remember, for most of us, these are just toys. Grown up versions of the Hot Wheels cars we played with as kids. If you look at it that way, then you don't spec your car to squeeze every last ounce of power or performance or mechanical efficiency out of it. I chose the old SFT cam of mine because I like the noise it makes, leather because I like the smell, six-pin drives because I like the looks of them when I pull the wheels. These cars are nothing more than fun little diversions -- just treat them that way.
This post adds absolutely nothing to this thread. :JEKYLHYDE

patrickt 03-08-2013 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1234365)
This post adds absolutely nothing to this thread. :JEKYLHYDE
No, my post is directly on point. FR65 is considering making a decision based on the sound of a component. You only do that with your toys. Fortunately, that's perfectly acceptable here... and I politely pointed that out.:cool:

ERA Chas 03-08-2013 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1234365)
This post adds absolutely nothing to this thread. :JEKYLHYDE
But that's how you get to 14,399 posts-silly!! :rolleyes:

RodKnock 03-08-2013 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1234368)
No, my post is directly on point. FR65 is considering making a decision based on the sound of a component. You only do that with your toys. Fortunately, that's perfectly acceptable here... and I politely pointed that out.:cool:
FR65's question is about the sound difference of two types of cams. "You only do that with toys" is off-point.....again.

DanEC 03-08-2013 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by vector1 (Post 1234326)

solid--tap harumpa tap harumpa tap

hydraulic--harumpa harumpa harumpa
Actually - I like this comparison. And then you can throw in mild steel tubing headers and end up with.

solids -- tap-ping-harumpa tap-ping-harumpa tap-ping-harumpa

hydraulics -- ping-harumpa ping-harumpa ping-harumpa

:3DSMILE:

patrickt 03-08-2013 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1234374)
FR65's question is about the sound difference of two types of cams. "You only do that with toys" is off-point.....again.
No it's not. Note Blykins response of "you need the hydraulic cam." The whole point of this hobby is that these are toys -- it's not what you need, but rather what you want. Just like being stuck inside of Mobile (with the Memphis blues again).

RodKnock 03-08-2013 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1234391)
No it's not. Note Blykins response of "you need the hydraulic cam." The whole point of this hobby is that these are toys -- it's not what you need, but rather what you want. Just like being stuck inside of Mobile (with the Memphis blues again).
Sound check please. Testing 1, 2, 3.

Vector1's response was on point. Yours? Not.

patrickt 03-08-2013 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RodKnock (Post 1234402)
Sound check please. Testing 1, 2, 3.

Vector1's response was on point. Yours? Not.
Hmmph. Well, in that case, I think the sound is more like "oogachaka, oogachaka, doo-wa, diddy, diddy." Or, the OP could just listen to the beautiful beat of my solid lifters in the link in my signature.:cool:

blykins 03-08-2013 02:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by patrickt (Post 1234391)
No it's not. Note Blykins response of "you need the hydraulic cam." The whole point of this hobby is that these are toys -- it's not what you need, but rather what you want. Just like being stuck inside of Mobile (with the Memphis blues again).
My job is to make qualifications based on the customer's testimony, then build the engine.

Pete and I have talked many times, and although he hasn't ordered an engine yet, he has emphasized the need for durability, reliability, and the ability to drive long stretches at a time while cruising.

My recommendation would be the hydraulic roller...since it's a little more than a "toy" with this type of reasoning.

patrickt 03-08-2013 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by blykins (Post 1234410)
My job is to make qualifications based on the customer's testimony, then build the engine.

...

My recommendation would be the hydraulic roller...since it's a little more than a "toy" with this type of reasoning.
Alright, nothing wrong with that. But I'm still putting you in the "debutante" category and not in the "Ruthie" category. Especially since you don't have a honkey-tonk lagoon.:cool:

blykins 03-08-2013 04:26 PM
Dude I have no clue what any of that was supposed to have meant.

Varmit 03-08-2013 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by DanEC (Post 1234378)
Actually - I like this comparison. And then you can throw in mild steel tubing headers and end up with.

solids -- tap-ping-harumpa tap-ping-harumpa tap-ping-harumpa

hydraulics -- ping-harumpa ping-harumpa ping-harumpa

:3DSMILE:
Ah yes the sound of a 60's muscle car...LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

patrickt 03-08-2013 05:30 PM
Dang...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blykins (Post 1234451)
Dude I have no clue what any of that was supposed to have meant.
Here, second to last paragraph: Stuck Inside Of Mobile With The Memphis Blues Again | The Official Bob Dylan Site So, how old were you in 1966?:rolleyes:


http://www.bobdylan.com/sites/bdylan...701853_181.jpg

RodKnock 03-08-2013 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by blykins (Post 1234451)
Dude I have no clue what any of that was supposed to have meant.
Brent, just don't bother asking. I stopped a long time ago. He's baiting anyone to take him up on his nonsense. It is just not worth it the internet server space. :(


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