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Old 06-30-2015, 09:20 PM
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Question Side oilder gargae 427 block

Anyone seen or used the new Genesis block, (side oiler garage), it is closer to a Pond block than a Shelby, Barry has had a few im sure he will chime in, compared to a Pond I wonder how they differ and if one is better or more desirable to build with...
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I thought you bought a Shelby short block from Keith.
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I couldn't be happier with my first generation Genesis 427 side oiler. Best of luck to the new management.
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My engine is a side oiler garage block, Barry build it and said it looked good. Should be on the road in a week or two.
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My engine is a side oiler garage block, Barry build it and said it looked good. Should be on the road in a week or two.
Sounds great, I think its cool these new blocks are usa made, I was thinking on an iron block for my dads truck build...
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I've done several now. I think we received about 8 or 9 iron ones and a larger number of aluminum. So far they have been pretty decent. Not perfect, but few things truly are. All have been built or are in process somewhere with a single exception noted below.

The first run of iron ones had a couple teething problems. A machining index issue on the oil feel hole from the oil pump put the passage too deep into the casting and we had to repair those (not too hard and a nearly invisible fix). One of them has a failed water jacket core where a glob of iron broke free and caused the casting alongside the starter to develop a crack as it cooled. That one has been fixed - not pretty but functional - and will likely be my EMC entry this year.

Bill's aluminum one ran pretty well here with no real issues. (OK - an oil pressure line blew off during a pull and I fell on my ass when I ran into the dyno cell to see what happened...but that had nothing to do with the engine.)

I have a few others in process as well. Truthfully, the aluminum looks better than the iron ones as far as visuals go. The very first aluminum one I had here (a cut up prototype - not Bill's) showed a leak in the oil feed leading to the deck when I pressure tested it - like an original block sometimes had. I was not able to duplicate it, so it could have just been "me", but I decided to sleeve them in any case out of fear/confidence/caution.... They are now vacuum impregnating the aluminum ones which should help insure a leak free casting.
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Do you have the same problems with the Shelby or Pond blocks, or is this just because they are new and still working out a few bugs...
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I have seen issues at times with every block we build. These are pretty new so we really looked hard at them. I would say that they are better than the original Genesis product was, with opportunities for further refinement. Of the original run of iron ones I believe I have completed and dyno'd/shipped three and Kaase has done one. There are at least a couple others in process and a few that are probably just parts waiting for their turn.

We have spotted and addressed minor machining and casting issues with factory blocks, Pond blocks, Shelby blocks. I have only had two of the BBM blocks so far - both for the same mild application customer (Chris Craft boat) so far those two appeared perfectly fine. I do not think we have found anything yet from any manufacturer that could not be fixed up in house and made into a sound usable part. Some of the stuff we address might not even matter to most folks.

Since I use and sell most everybody's parts I try to be fair. I suppose the right thing to say is that they were all perfect pieces of jewelry that should be put on display under lights in glass cases - but that ain't my style.
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They seem to making some good numbers with the BBM block and heads, I think the BBM, pond and side oiler are close in design as per original look the shelby has its own design, and a price hike...
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I have one of the first Genesis blocks, a bare block from Keith Craft. I love this block, for me, this was a no brainer. With the original blocks, they upgrade the cross bolts and the webbing. This change resulted in the block loosing some of its cooling between the cylinder walls. A 20% upgrade in water pump production and the use of an Evans Cooling System, problem resolved.
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Any updates ?

I don't see a Side Oiler Garage website ?
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I see this is an old thread but thought I would add some information for those considering aftermarket FE blocks. Sideoiler Garage is run by Tim McLoughlin who was also connected to Genesis. I contacted Sideoiler Garage back in early 2017 and was told that a batch of blocks were just being finished off. We paid Tim for a block on the understanding that a block would be dispatched that week. It’s well over a year now and we are still yet to receive a block or our money returned as promised. Apparently there were casting issues and all blocks were scrapped. Have also heard that several batches that followed were also faulty. Despite many many efforts to communicate with Tim, he pretty much just ignores me and fails to return our money despite promising for more than 9 months to return it. Wish we were warned before we transferred money!
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Thanks for the update. I had hoped for better.

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Thanks John, I wish I could report more positive news. This has been dragging on since April 2017. It seems that we have been blatantly scammed and these blocks obviously aren’t cheap. I am still hopeful that Tim McLoughlin of Sideoiler Garage will do the right thing and return our funds as he has promised on several occasions going back nearly a year. I am sympathetic if there are casting problems but it’s hard to believe when I have emails promising shipping documentation the following day. Obviously blocks ready for shipping never existed. We paid for the block on the understanding it was ready to be shipped. It’s hard to see why this organisation deserves anyone’s support. I will be happy to report back if the situation improves.
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