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Scufty 11-15-2006 07:56 PM

Call me a dummy
 
Ok call me a dummy but whats the deal with High riser Med riser etc heads?
I have a 427 so and some (what look to be) stock heads...I think my bottle neck is the heads and intake ...I am running a holy street dominator i do believe as the intake with a holly 750 ..I am not very impressed with the heads or the intake? thoughts ? what are you 427 side oiler guys running for heads and intakes? I know broad question but any help is great
Thanks

Anthony 11-15-2006 08:04 PM

OK, you're a dummy.

Anthony 11-15-2006 08:06 PM

Seriously, buy this book.

http://www.themotorbookstore.com/howtorebifoe.html

It has good descriptions of all the FE heads, except the SOHC. Tunnel ports flow the best of the original. Modern FE heads are based off of the MR and HR design, but with redesigned ports on some of the heads for better flow.

Scufty 11-15-2006 08:18 PM

Thanks Alot

dandascott 11-15-2006 08:23 PM

I am in the process of assembling a 427 s.o. with Ford medium riser heads, Ford dual quad intake. From what I have gathered the set-up should be quite respectable (450+hp hopefully). Keith Craft is going to assemble for me and I will let you know.
I am going to use two 600cfm Holley's, solid lifters, stock LeMans connecting rods and the steel crank has been slightly modified to produce a longer stroke.

Excaliber 11-15-2006 10:07 PM

Medium Riser heads are very respectable. High Riser heads are even better. Don't forget the Tunnel Ports either!

High Risers were outlawed by NASCAR in 1965 and were called the "Tall and Terrible" heads (tall BIG ports). I'm running a set of original 1964 Tall and Terribles on my side oiler (with dual four barrels no less). :D

Scufty 11-16-2006 03:21 PM

How would one id the heads I am running now

trularin 11-16-2006 05:53 PM

Find the casting numbers.

Carnut427 11-16-2006 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scufty
How would one id the heads I am running now

The casting number is located between the middle two spark plugs and will read something like C5AE F.

Dan

MaSnaka 11-19-2006 06:08 PM

Carnut- Out of curiosity I looked at my casting number on a 390 fe. Number I found between two middle spark plugs reads...D2TEAA. Can you decifer for me please? Thanks.

FFR428 11-19-2006 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaSnaka
Carnut- Out of curiosity I looked at my casting number on a 390 fe. Number I found between two middle spark plugs reads...D2TEAA. Can you decifer for me please? Thanks.

Those are 72 castings used on pickups. The "TE" denotes a truck part. However those heads are the same exact casting as the earlier C8-H's. The D2's also had induction hardened seats for unleaded.

G.

496fe 11-19-2006 08:36 PM

By far the biggest limiting factor of the FE motor is cylinder head design. A few companies have figured out how to make them work - Edelbrock is one. If you need to stick to iron heads for authentic looks, you need to have bigger valves as well as porting to make them flow almost as well as a stock big-block Chevy.:rolleyes:

It gets expensive real quick to modify iron heads. Modern aluminum aftermarket heads are much more bang for the buck. Maybe paint the aluminum heads or something.

Excaliber 11-19-2006 11:27 PM

I'm not sure Edelbrock has figured out FE heads. :D Out of the box there not that good. With some port work there MUCH better. But hey, if you gotta do port work to make them work, well, thats not exactly 'figured out'.

Carnut427 11-20-2006 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaSnaka
Carnut- Out of curiosity I looked at my casting number on a 390 fe. Number I found between two middle spark plugs reads...D2TEAA. Can you decifer for me please? Thanks.

MaSnaka...lucky for you FFR428 decifered your heads, as he gave you more info than I coulda. 496fe is also right about installing larger valves...in a 390, have 428CJ valve sizes installed, or better yet, if you have the moola, would be Edelbrock heads. How fast do you want to go? How much money you got? :)

Dan

Excaliber 11-20-2006 12:15 AM

Is the BORE of a 390 same as the 428? The smaller bores limit valve size. For instance the 427 BLOCK itself is notched to accomodate bigger valves.

Carnut427 11-20-2006 12:30 AM

The 390 bore is smaller, but 428CJ sized valves fit without notching the bores.

Dan

Naumoff 11-20-2006 04:16 AM

http://i18.ebayimg.com/04/i/000/78/c6/c215_1.JPG

Tunnel Ports

Naumoff 11-20-2006 04:22 AM

Cubic Inch Displacement Chart

STROKE
Crank 3.30" 332
Crank 3.50" 352,361T
Crank 3.78" 390, 406, 427 391T
Crank 3.98" 410,428

4.00" (332-352 Block 332 / 352
4.05" (390-410 Block 390 / 410
4.13" (406-428 Block 406 (405) / 428 (427)
4.23" (427 Block 427 (425)
NOTE: Figures in parenthesis are "computed" displacements, Adjacent displacements are "rated".
Trying to fix it so it's easier to read

Anthony 11-20-2006 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naumoff
Cubic Inch Displacement Chart

STROKE
Crank 3.78" 390, 406, 427 391T


4.23" (427 Block 427 (425)
NOTE: Figures in parenthesis are "computed" displacements, Adjacent displacements are "rated".

I think the bore on a 427 is 4.233, so displacement comes out to 426.

Naumoff 11-20-2006 04:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anthony
I think the bore on a 427 is 4.233, so displacement comes out to 426.

You must be a Machinist. :3DSMILE:


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