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Old 02-11-2007, 01:35 PM
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Default FE firing order?

Does the FE use 15426378 or 13726548?

I've been through all my books putting data into a single spread sheet for all Ford pushrod engines, and I'm missing this data point. I wanted everything in one place so I could compare.

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It's 15426378
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It's 15426378
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When I was a young man...

My car broke down (cross country trip) in the South. I needed to get some work to make the repairs. I went to a local garage and asked for a job. The owner quizes my breifly and asks this question: "Whats the firing order of small block Chevy?" I answered immdediatly, "18436572" and got the job.

Don't know why that particular firing order stuck with me, I still can't recall any Ford firing numbers without looking them up (hangs head in shame).
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Decades ago (back when I was still a puppy), I observed that GM and Mopar had the same firing order. I also noted that GM and Mopar numbered their cylinders with odd numbers on one bank and even on the other, however Ford (wisely) numbered their cylinders 1, 2, 3, 4 on one side and 5, 6, 7, 8 on the other. So, I set down and figured the Ford firing order, had they numbered the cylinders the same as GM and Mopar, and guess what. Yep you might have guessed it, it was the same order. Now I'm no longer certain which Ford engine I was looking at, but I think it was the older 15426378. So if you remember a Chevy firing order, you can wire your Ford FE, if you call the cylinders the same as a Chevy.

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At one time I was told the same story Ernie with the exception of the Cleveland engine. I believe it was true then and may be true for all V8 engines. Might be worth checking out.

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From my research to build my spread sheet (which is not complete), the 351W, 351C, 351M, and 400M are the only Ford pushrod engines to use the odd firing order. I didn't check the old "Y" block.

Interestingly I saw a TV show where they used a different firing order on a SB Chevy. They claimed it created a better scavenging affect and increased about 50 hp (don't trust my memory on that number). They ran it on a dyno with a regular cam of the same duration and lift. It changed more than just the 5,4 / 3,7 swap of the Ford engines. Anyone ever seen anything like this on a Ford?
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from what I recall olddog ..the swap was in only 2 cylinders where you buy the different cam and yes I do belive the gain was about 50 HP
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I channel surffed into the tail end of the show again. It was only 2 cylinders as you said. I sure would like to see if it is the exact same swap as Ford has been doing all these years.
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I observed that GM and Mopar had the same firing order. I also noted that GM and Mopar numbered their cylinders with odd numbers on one bank and even on the other, however Ford (wisely) numbered their cylinders 1, 2, 3, 4 on one side and 5, 6, 7, 8 on the other.
The way I understood it, GM and mopar numbered their cylinders based on the order of the connecting rods(cylinders) starting from the front of the engine going to the back. You end up with even on one side, and odd on the other.
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