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Pond Aluminum ' Side-Oiler'
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Anyone have any experience withthe Pond 427/468 Aluminum side-oiler? I am finalizing my engine selection for a Kirkham and this engine has caught my eye. I will be using shelby add ons (intake, water pump, cover), etc. I am going for a miler version...500 hp urban drivable car.. Looking for real info... Thanks al |
If your building/having one built you should put a little extra machining money in the budget - the Pond requires finish sizing the main tunnel, the cam tunnel, and the lifter bores - along with the pond specific head and main studs.
Your power goal should be easy, and the rest of the build is pretty conventional. |
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alpace you have a P-M message Rick
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I'm running a Keith Craft / Pond 482 and I love it... I'm still getting use to the power:)
I've got a little over 500 miles on it; send me a note and I can give you some details.... My numbers @ flywheel 613 HP / 613 lbs of tourque and certainly streetable/driveable.. Good Luck, R |
I am also running a Pond 482 Aluminum block. Why are you spending the extra bucks on the Shelby water pump intake and cover when basically you are buying Edlebrock parts?
http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...m/101_2269.JPG http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...m/201_0418.JPG |
Heres a pic of a fresh unmolested Pond block fresh out of the "bag", no machine work performed yet.
I'm with Morg on his observation, buy quality parts best suited for your needs unless name brand is important to you. http://www.clubcobra.com/photopost/d...3944270011.JPG |
There's a logical reason not to buy the Shelby cover or the pump, based upon personal experience.
You won't even see the name on the cover...it's covered by the pump. To see the name on the pump, you'll have to stick your head into the fan...makes quite a mess. You can clearly see the name on the manifold. |
I apologize if I'm borrowing your thread, but Al, why a 468 (4.125 stroke)? Why not a 482 (4.25 stroke)? How about a 454 (3.98 stroke)? if I can't find a nice used side oiler block, I may build a Pond block down the road and I'm having hard time answering this question for myself.
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If you are going with a Pond Block I would definitely recommend Keith Craft and the 482 set up. Keith has made so many of these he has the process down pat. If somome is unfamiliar with the pond set up puts the engine together you could have oil pressure issues. Ask Keith for details.
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All, great photos and great info! Looks like everyone is pretty darn satisfied with the Pond. Jamo, terrific advice about the shelby parts. I am going to speak with Keith Craft tomorrow. Maybe I go with the shelby intake and valve covers, passing on the pump, etc.?
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Rod,
I am a bit of a novice when it comes to big blocks...so I am not the bes source. As to the Pond, I meant 482....Roush has a 468/shelby block. My personal history includes motocross (Yamaha Enduros) and rebuilding a '64 bug, MG, Spitfire, TR-4a and TR6....hence my interest in 'british' cars....If I go with the Kirkham, I am hoping to get British styling, American Horsepower and Polish aluminum craftsmanship....a bit of an international street fighter! al |
Ditto on KC 482 Pond
I to got the Keith Craft 482 Pond motor. Love it.
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What are the differences, pro's and con's, between the Pond alum block and the Shelby alum block? -Besides the obvious one of $price$.
But then again, if the Pond block needs all this extra machine work, is there a big difference in price in the end? |
Pond block weighs less, costs less, has period correct casting # for those states that require it for ease of registration. Downside is that it can only go up to 496 c.i. vs. 500+ for the Shelby, along with the Shelby name. I think the machining required of either one is about the same. The oiling system is different as well, but for street use, I don't think it really makes much difference.
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I hope this doesn't swing things off topic... but where does the Genesis Aluminum block fit in?
I have heard of some porosity problems with some of their cast iron blocks, but the aluminum blocks are sleaved and shouldn't have a problem. Are these a good option if you don't want to spend the money on the Shelby block? |
can you use hydraulic lifters in the Shelby? I assume the pond is solid.
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