Which GT40?

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

I am talking "new" build vs. resale. If you have an RCR built for you and painted to a good standard you will have the price of an SPF roller. I base this on a conversation with a pro builder who had an RCR GT40 brought to him for build. He opined the hours needed and the paint would bring the total to the 100K area. Of course your results may vary.

And this is NOT a knock on the RCR or any other kit for that matter. The best GT40 is the one you can buy and the one you like. Different answers for different questions.

And resale value is subjective to a point. Perhaps people perceive more value in "X" than in "Y" and therefore will pay more on a resale basis. A factory built car is a known level of construction, a self build will be valued on the quality of the parts and the builder. I for one have seen some Factory Five cars that were fabulously built.......and one I wouldn't ride in if you paid me!

Just one quick google away and Fran stated in 2011 said his turnkey's were $65K. I didn't searchanyfurther. Now I'm sure that price has changed and maybe he left something out, but RCR's "probuilt" will be ALOT cheaper than an SPF at $170,000.

The RCR Deluxe Plus Kit is $42,000. Add paint, engine, transaxle, installation and assembly by Fran, I'd think you would hard-pressed to spend an addtional $130,000.

[Mark IV]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Just one quick google away and Fran stated in 2011 said his turnkey's were $65K. I didn't searchanyfurther. Now I'm sure that price has changed and maybe he left something out, but RCR's "probuilt" will be ALOT cheaper than an SPF at $170,000.

The RCR Deluxe Plus Kit is $42,000. Add paint, engine, transaxle, installation and assembly by Fran, I'd think you would hard-pressed to spend an addtional $130,000.

But you can get an SPF for less than "$170,000"...an advert with an asking price does not the market make. And does the 62K "Turnkey" include paint, headers, A/C system, etc.. I ask this not as a smartarse, but I really don't know. And again, the RCR is a great car but it is different than the SPF. One is an homage to the GT40 and one is a "replica" in the true sense. Again, one is not "better' than the other, but a different interpretation of the 60s FAV car.

I will gladly sell my SPF MK II listed at 128K for 170K if you really want it! And I don't think Fran can do the full assembly as well as engine and transaxle, that would violate the federal regulations as he would be an "automotive manufacturer and therefore subject to all FMVSS standards.

[SwiftDB4]

Rodknock I notice you have a Kirkham. How would you compare that to a Factory Five? I would put an RCR GT40 above Factory Five quality, but it is not nearly as original as an SPF. If originality isn't important get an RCR. Have you carefully looked over RCR, SPF, CAV, and ERA GT40's? The fit and finish of the SPF and ERA exceeds the RCR and CAV's I've seen.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

But you can get an SPF for less than "$170,000"...an advert with an asking price does not the market make. And does the 62K "Turnkey" include paint, headers, A/C system, etc.. I ask this not as a smartarse, but I really don't know. And again, the RCR is a great car but it is different than the SPF. One is an homage to the GT40 and one is a "replica" in the true sense. Again, one is not "better' than the other, but a different interpretation of the 60s FAV car.

I will gladly sell my SPF MK II listed at 128K for 170K if you really want it! And I don't think Fran can do the full assembly as well as engine and transaxle, that would violate the federal regulations as he would be an "automotive manufacturer and therefore subject to all FMVSS standards.

I can have a new RCR40 built to my exacting standards (i.e., top notch, better than a roller SPF) FAR FAR cheaper than I can finish a new SPF. Even here in the SF Bay Area, where labor rates and shop rents aren't cheap. Trust me on that one. However, I've ruled out buying a GT40, since I'm a convertible-roadster-kinda. The GT40 is too confining to me.

[thorconstr]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Just one quick google away and Fran stated in 2011 said his turnkey's were $65K. I didn't searchanyfurther. Now I'm sure that price has changed and maybe he left something out, but RCR's "probuilt" will be ALOT cheaper than an SPF at $170,000.

The RCR Deluxe Plus Kit is $42,000. Add paint, engine, transaxle, installation and assembly by Fran, I'd think you would hard-pressed to spend an addtional $130,000.

RCR doesn't do turnkey anymore.

[thorconstr]

I think you are better off buying a finished car. The build always ends up with more in parts than expected and you give your labor away.

[REAL 1]

Real or replica? Did someone say that?

Another thread that degenerated to "Real or Replica" without me.

Very simply this again is what is considered "better" to the purchaser. Many criteria are subjective many are objective.

I like the fact the Spf's are factory built and have license from Safir and are th only cars legally that can be called GT40's from the factory. Replica of the original but a damn nice one and legally a GT40.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Real or replica? Did someone say that?

Another thread that degenerated to "Real or Replica" without me.

Very simply this again is what is considered "better" to the purchaser. Many criteria are subjective many are objective.

I like the fact the Spf's are factory built and have license from Safir and are th only cars legally that can be called GT40's from the factory. Replica of the original but a damn nice one and legally a GT40.

Just like yours.

[REAL 1]

Jeez, Now you guys are following me!. You dropped in here just to add that?

Shoo. Shoo. Go away. Hurry up and get back to the "sticky thread" where you guys can continue your "circle J$#k on your never ending quest prove the continuation current production Cobras are (alas) nothing more than mere replicas to each other.

Don't worry, I'll check back in there in few days to see you guys are making out and if any progress as been made in changing the facts and law and for a few laughs.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by REAL 1

Jeez, Now you guys are following me!. You dropped in here just to add that?

Shoo. Shoo. Go away. Hurry up and get back to the "sticky thread" where you guys can continue your "circle J$#k on your never ending quest prove the continuation current production Cobras are (alas) nothing more than mere replicas to each other.

Don't worry, I'll check back in there in few days to see you guys are making out and if any progress as been made in changing the facts and law and for a few laughs.

In deference to Jamo, I'll leave your post w/o any further comment from me.

[Joe's Garage]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

Just like yours.

Interesting that he gets it exactly regarding the GT40 but is totally confused on the csx4000, go figure.