New 50th Anniversary GT-40 Continuation

[Bernica]

Sorry if this has been posted before....

So, look what Superformance and SAI are building now!
A special commemorative GT40 50th Anniversary Limited Edition MKII. That's a mouthful!

Limited-production Ford GT40 Mk II continuations honor Shelby’s success at Le | Hemmings Daily

[rodneym]

Some of those comments are hilarious.

[Bernica]

I guess I get frustrated at all the marketing hype, but I guess that's what they need to do:

50th Anniversary!
Limited Edition!
Continuation!

Don't get me wrong. I love the car and wish I had one! A very nice piece for sure.

[RodKnock]

$50,000-$60,000 for the FE engine and transmission, plus all the other parts and sorting and then adding the dealer's profit to perform said work?

Ya, sure. Uh huh. Pigs are flying outside right now.

I'm sure it could be done for $50,000-$60,000, but I'm not going to be the first person driving that car on a open highway at speed.

[Bernica]

Let's see a couple of examples with miles on them. Probably a great car and I don't doubt it would be. I thought Lance already had a MKII out there with a big block. I maybe wrong. Did I say I love this car?

[Mark IV]

There are numerous SPF GT40s running around with FE/RBT-ZF powertrains. There is no secret to the build and all the required pieces are available. The factory supplies the correct headers and brackets so not an engineering project at all.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

There are numerous SPF GT40s running around with FE/RBT-ZF powertrains. There is no secret to the build and all the required pieces are available. The factory supplies the correct headers and brackets so not an engineering project at all.

As I thought and thanks MarkIV. So I guess just special badges and a bigger price ticket once again?
And $40-$60k for a drivetrain I guess could be true by the time you are done, but also seems high.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Bernica

As I thought and thanks MarkIV. So I guess just special badges and a bigger price ticket once again?
And $40-$60k for a drivetrain I guess could be true by the time you are done, but also seems high.

The car has been available from SPF since I looked at least 4 years ago. In fact, one shows up at the Vegas Cars and Coffee frequently (he has a Daytona Coupe too, and his GT40 has the same Roush 427IR my Cobra had including the same Accel DFI with exactly the same problems I had). All this is badging and a press release capitalizing on the 50th anniversary of the Le Mans wins. No need to get spun up.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Mark IV

There are numerous SPF GT40s running around with FE/RBT-ZF powertrains. There is no secret to the build and all the required pieces are available. The factory supplies the correct headers and brackets so not an engineering project at all.

I know it's not a secret. Building a Cobra is not secret, but it takes time and money to properly build and sort it. And rollers don't come perfect "right out of the box."

The FE alone is $20,000-$30,000. The transaxle and bell housing are roughly $10,000. Plus any miscellaneous parts to complete plus dealer labor plus dealer profit.

And no cheaping out on a $170,000 SPF GT40 roller. And will a Shelby dealer do it for $50,000-$60,000. I sincerely doubt it. Not done right and sorted.

[1795]

Maybe I am dealing well out of my league financially, but $50,000-$60,000 for an install leaves plenty of profit margin for the dealer. I am sure that they would do it for more if someone wanted to spend some excess cash that they had laying around gathering dust.

Buying high end cars is kind of like buying high end homes, when you really break down the parts and compare a $150,000 home to a $500,000 home, the more expensive home does not have $350,000 worth of better parts. The builder just has a more substantial profit margin because the buyer wanted to feel like he had a substantially better house. It is all just marketing designed towards enticing some people to pay more for basically the same thing that others have but with a couple of extra touches that do not come close to the increase in price.

They look like nice cars and I am certain they will sell some.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by 1795

Maybe I am dealing well out of my league financially, but $50,000-$60,000 for an install leaves plenty of profit margin for the dealer. I am sure that they would do it for more if someone wanted to spend some excess cash that they had laying around gathering dust.

If you want a professional like Olthoff or someone like Stewart Hall here locally to do your install to a high standard, with a nice all-aluminum FE, rebuilt transaxle, detailed and sorted, corner balanced, all the proper parts in all the proper places, buyer "upgrades", shipping here and there, labor and profit, then I bet $50,000-$60,000 won't be enough.

I went through the numbers back in 2007 before buying my Kirkham. If you can do all the work yourself, say like Dean with his RCR, then there's no problem.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by 1795

Buying high end cars is kind of like buying high end homes, when you really break down the parts and compare a $150,000 home to a $500,000 home, the more expensive home does not have $350,000 worth of better parts. The builder just has a more substantial profit margin because the buyer wanted to feel like he had a substantially better house. It is all just marketing designed towards enticing some people to pay more for basically the same thing that others have but with a couple of extra touches that do not come close to the increase in price.

Having built homes at both ends of the spectrum I can tell you that what you are saying is anything but close to the truth. My range was 500K to 750K and someone buying a 750K home had much higher expectations on construction materials and quality.

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And no cheaping out on a $170,000 SPF GT40 roller.

And I'll quote myself.

The Shelby Engine Co., which is now owned by Denbeste in Windsor and a Shelby dealer, has a 496 crate FE engine on eBay right now for $30,000. Yes, I'm sure you can find an engine builder to do it cheaper, $10,000-$12,000 for a RBT-ZF transaxle and shipping, and of course, there's likelihood for upgrades to what the factory provides in a roller.

And I know around here, the top notch facilities will charge $100/hour +/- for labor. And you know the shop will want a reasonable profit margin.

[Bernica]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

And I'll quote myself.

The Shelby Engine Co., which is now owned by Denbeste in Windsor and a Shelby dealer, has a 496 crate FE engine on eBay right now for $30,000. Yes, I'm sure you can find an engine builder to do it cheaper, $10,000-$12,000 for a RBT-ZF transaxle and shipping, and of course, there's likelihood for upgrades to what the factory provides in a roller.

And I know around here, the top notch facilities will charge $100/hour +/- for labor. And you know the shop will want a reasonable profit margin.

And there lies the "sink hole". As RodKnock mentioned in so many words, once you are in deep for a $170k roller, you simply have to finish strong with the good stuff. I can't imagine someone being in that deep and wanting to finish on the cheap. That would haunt me every time I drove it.

[twobjshelbys]

By the way. Does anyone remember the Shelby 8th birthday editions?

[stephen_becker]

Originally Posted by twobjshelbys

By the way. Does anyone remember the Shelby 8th birthday editions?

My question is what happens when SAI runs out of 50th anniversaries to celebrate? (and badge?)

Stephen

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

My question is what happens when SAI runs out of 50th anniversaries to celebrate? (and badge?)

Stephen

I'm not a Shelby historian but wasn't the Cobra campaigned independently until the late 1960's and early 1970's? Shelby can always create the 50th Anniversary of some obscure local or regional win for many more years, no?

Anyway, there's always memorializing future CS birthdays too.

[twobjshelbys]

And my original post included as a quote above should have said "85th birthday" instead of 8th birthday. Sometimes I post on my phone and it seems to want me to say things I didn't mean (that is, the spill chicken fixes things that don't need fixing.)

One of them sold at Barrett Jackson on an official closeout sale from SAI when Amy was trying to raise cash. I think this is it:

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archi...-CHASSIS-90003

I remember seeing it in the "museum" when they were up by the track.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by stephen_becker

My question is what happens when SAI runs out of 50th anniversaries to celebrate? (and badge?)

Stephen

Then it'll be 55th anniversary

Have they built out any of these?

[trularin]

Too bad it is Superformance...damn car is too small.

I sat in four or five of them before I decided to run with RCR. I am just too tall. When I asked Superformance if there could be some adjustment for a taller person, they were rather curt and said, "no".

I view this as Ford's car. Their continuation series is the Ford GT...and to be avaialbe in 2016 the new version as shown on episode 106 of Leno's Garage.

If you want to see a truly rare GT40, Leno drives the 289 street version down the street.

Just my opinion.

Tru