Mechanical differences between Kirkham & CSX4000

[Excaliber]

We need a new thread, what is the difference between a glass Shelby and an SPF? Now THAT should be a little easier to nail down, after you wade through the 8 to 10 pages of arguing as Pat noted would be the case...

[Jamo]

Not that different...the basic structure and construction are there, other than a few items such as the transmission mounts (both came up with ways to fit something other than a toploader) or the dashboard uprights on the tunnels (Shelby started making theirs removable). Again, as I noted above...it's more a matter of fitments/suppliers. Actually, you could end up with damn near identical cars if you optioned them both with that intent.

Kris worked at Shelby and has built both CSXs and Kirkhams...his word is gospel to those who know more about these damn things than sane folks should. I think a slight miscommunication needs to be assplained: As the term is commonly used, a "roller" is pretty much a complete chassis/body/interior needing an engine/trans/battery. While several Kirkham rollers have been used to create CSXs, as Kris points out, Shelby typically would get the basic Kirkham frame/body/footboxes, etc., and then finish them up depending on the typical Shelby specs of the time (electrics, for example, have changed). Dealers, of course, may add a few things of their own.

They share blood...one of them maintains their blood is a bit more royal. You can find Polish names signed on body panels on all of them.

[Jamo]

Yes...which is why several of us have suggested that from the beginning, but include Vegas as well.

In fact, go to Vegas first...enjoy the nightlife after visiting the incubator, and then go to Provo to see them from overseas delivery to finishing touch...and sooth your leftover pounding head from the Vegas experience.

I also note that you're not exactly a newbie and you already own what appears to be a damn nice Cobra...so you might help folks here respond to you by sharing what you're looking for in terms of use, cost, etc. based on your experiences so far. Note also that you have more arruminum (if metal is going to be it) options at Kirkhams...289 Street, FIAs and whatever else you might conjur up. You want to spend a million? They can do that too.

[lloyds1]

So here is a little more info on where I'm coming from. I have the SPF and I love it, that is why I want to upgrade to the aluminum KMP or CSX because I have decided that the cobra IS the car for me. I have been leaning toward the Kirkham because the price seems very reasonable for what you get, build quality, top shelf design and components, and it sounds like the Kirkhams are a great bunch of guys. BUT, then as I did more research on used cars that are currently available and I have discovered that slightly used aluminum CSX cars can be had for under $100k. So now the price factor seems to be less of a decision factor than i originally thought. That is why i decided to post this thread because if both cars can be bought for the same price used ($10k plus or minus) then for me it really comes down to what makes them different. I do plan on painting the car and also I would like the original suspension so that I have the option to run in historic races. I appreciate all of your feedback

Originally Posted by Jamo

Yes...which is why several of us have suggested that from the beginning, but include Vegas as well.

In fact, go to Vegas first...enjoy the nightlife after visiting the incubator, and then go to Provo to see them from overseas delivery to finishing touch...and sooth your leftover pounding head from the Vegas experience.

I also note that you're not exactly a newbie and you already own what appears to be a damn nice Cobra...so you might help folks here respond to you by sharing what you're looking for in terms of use, cost, etc. based on your experiences so far. Note also that you have more arruminum (if metal is going to be it) options at Kirkhams...289 Street, FIAs and whatever else you might conjur up. You want to spend a million? They can do that too.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Yes...which is why several of us have suggested that from the beginning, but include Vegas as well.

In fact, go to Vegas first...enjoy the nightlife after visiting the incubator, and then go to Provo to see them from overseas delivery to finishing touch...and sooth your leftover pounding head from the Vegas experience.

I also note that you're not exactly a newbie and you already own what appears to be a damn nice Cobra...so you might help folks here respond to you by sharing what you're looking for in terms of use, cost, etc. based on your experiences so far. Note also that you have more arruminum (if metal is going to be it) options at Kirkhams...289 Street, FIAs and whatever else you might conjur up. You want to spend a million? They can do that too.

Old post, but that is what I did exactly, I was in Vegas and went to Shelby, did the tour and talked to a few people, then the next day drove to Provo and went to the Kirkham open house in February and did the Kirkham experience. I left Provo THOUSANDS of dollars short, lol, The fresh air of Provo did the brain good...

[kobrabytes]

As a Kirkham owner, and friend, my advice is to buy the Kirkham.

Hands down you will NEVER get the attention and quality of experience from anyone else. (Helps to live in Utah also.) Besides being close to the Kirkhams we have to stunning mountain drives!

[Lew Ledyard]

Years ago when I was faced with the same decision, I turned to Mike McCluskey for advice. He recommended buying a Kirkham. That pretty much sealed the decision.

[twobjshelbys]

Originally Posted by Lew Ledyard

Years ago when I was faced with the same decision, I turned to Mike McCluskey for advice. He recommended buying a Kirkham. That pretty much sealed the decision.

So I wonder how much of that is based on technicals vs. the personal issues between McCluskey and Shelby?

[big-boss]

You guys must all work for the government!!! Because you sure made the "answer" hard for the guy. Sort of sounds like Obama talking about health care.

"IT IS THE KIRKHAMS S______d!" That simple.

You can get exactly what you want from either company both good-You will pay a little less from Kirkham. The Alum. Shelby will have a Kirkham body. Shelby will have a CSX Number. The Kirkhams are in the regestry now as well and for $$$ Shelby will sign a cat turd. It is the kirkhams-the whole family.

Comming from a guy on his fifth Cobra. Good luck.

[Excaliber]

The Kirkhams are in the registry not to increase their value or make them anymore special than they are, it's not because by themselves they are "worthy" based on build qauilty or any other factor related to the K Brothers garage.

It is simply to avoid fraud in the future, to keep the Shelby line pure as the years go by. We have seen many examples of duplicate CSX cars, outright fraud and "air" cars. What better way to start a fake CSX than a Kirkham?

If being in the registry makes your heart go pitter patter, don't get a big head over it, it aint like that...

[RodKnock]

Here's another Shelby versus Kirkham thread for your review:

http://clubcobra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101290

[RodKnock]

And another thread:

http://clubcobra.com/forums/showthread.php?t=83430

[patrickt]

And the mother of all Shelby threads: I'm Dying...and I want to drive my car...All Read Please I included it because the Kirkhams are referenced as well.

[ERA Chas]

Man, I wish Evan were around...

[patrickt]

Originally Posted by ERA Chas

Man, I wish Evan were around...

I think he got really mad about something a couple to three months ago, but I can't remember what it was. It was probably that stupid "mine's real and yours ain't" argument.

[Jamo]

Ok, here it is.

If you don't own or build Kirkhams or CSXs...get off this thread right now without comment or you will enjoy a few days off.

As to the threads linked, I would like to think that Lloyds1 was well aware of them and was looking for something beyond registration issues in Switzerland or personal disputes between Evan and the rest of the world.

Red and Patrick...we're getting a bit tired of following you two around the site and monitoring your remarks. Stop now, and like I said elsewhere...avoid each other.

[Jamo]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Ok, here it is.

If you don't own or build Kirkhams or CSXs...get off this thread right now without comment or you will enjoy a few days off.

As to the threads linked, I would like to think that Lloyds1 was well aware of them and was looking for something beyond registration issues in Switzerland or personal disputes between Evan and the rest of the world.

Red and Patrick...we're getting a bit tired of following you two around the site and monitoring your remarks. Stop now, and like I said elsewhere...avoid each other.

What part of this was unclear three damn years ago?

For the lawyers amongst you...see any statute of limits?

Stay the hell off this thread...don't even reply. Period.

[Jamo]

...and in case Evan comes across this thread...stay off of it.

[mickmate]

Hey Jamo he's asking for a few days off isn't he? More would be better! An ERA guy that doesn't know how to take his directional switch off on a Kirkham/Shelby thread after he's been told to cut it out making snide remarks (nothing to do with the original thread and questions as usual) about an industry legend, long time business man, and well respected member of the Cobra community. The guy he's talking about also happens to be a friend and colleague. We already know he's gonna say he was slamming the other guy, is there anything unpredictable here?!

[patrickt]

I thought the clock resets every three years?