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David Kirkham 01-22-2011 10:32 PM

Kirkham Motorsports University Bronze Coupe Fender
 
Hey Guys,

We had a customer who asked if we could make a Coupe from bronze. So, we started with a fender.

We have sold so many cars (and attic parts :) ) lately we had to hire 3 new people. My wife is also coming down to help as well. I lured her in with the new gym :D

With the new help around here I have been freed up to do some things I have long been wanting to do. Glenn Reynolds of www.instapundit.com (a site I think you guys would really like) and author of Army of Davids inspired us to start Kirkham University to show the world how we make things. We hope our metal forming and machining knowledge may be of interest and use to others. Many people freely gave of their time to us over the years to help us continually make better products. Now, we want to return the many favors we have received from so many kind people.

Here is some more Kirkham Motorsports University on YouTube--CNC Machining, Metal Forming, and Advanced Manufacturing Techniques.

As always, I'm happy to answer any questions.

David
:):):)


MAStuart 01-22-2011 11:08 PM

Hi David Thanks for the vid . Is this the same process that was used on the upper quarter I got on the scratch and dent sale? mark

fordracing65 01-22-2011 11:09 PM

pretty cool

David Kirkham 01-22-2011 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MAStuart (Post 1104622)
Hi David Thanks for the vid . Is this the same process that was used on the upper quarter I got on the scratch and dent sale? mark

Yes

David
:):):)

fordracing65 01-23-2011 12:07 AM

The big three could really learn something from the Kirkhams. True craftsmen with good hearts.

tkb289 01-23-2011 12:35 AM

David,

Very nice! Two questions ...

- About how long does the process take to make the fender from start to finish?

- How are the sections joined together ... are they soldered together or welded?

Thanks.

- Tim

rodneym 01-23-2011 12:38 AM

Unbelievable.
Not many craftsmen left nowadays.
:cool:

N2VENOM 01-23-2011 12:42 AM

Another great video! The level of skill and craftsmanship involved to produce a Kirkham is outstanding. Again, thanks for sharing. Darren.

Jamo 01-23-2011 12:53 AM

Somebody told me somebody wanted a bronze piece to go with a copper one, but I didn't believe him.

So...comparing arruminum, copper and now the time you've had with bronze...what is each material like? Weight? Softness? Durability from skin rashes?

I swear...there are not many folks walking this planet who can repeatedly knock my socks off...amazing stuff. :)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 01:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1104623)
pretty cool

Quote:

Originally Posted by fordracing65 (Post 1104628)
The big three could really learn something from the Kirkhams. True craftsmen with good hearts.

Thanks for the kind words!

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tkb289 (Post 1104632)
David,

Very nice! Two questions ...

- About how long does the process take to make the fender from start to finish?

- How are the sections joined together ... are they soldered together or welded?

Thanks.

- Tim

It takes about 8 man hours to make the fender and 8 hours to polish it. This doesn't include the time digitizing the car, machining the dies, or making the stretch form.

The sections are welded together, just like our aluminum cars. Silicon bronze, alloy 655, welds like a dream--but it is very hard so it is quite difficult to form.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodneym (Post 1104633)
Unbelievable.
Not many craftsmen left nowadays.
:cool:

Thanks for the kind words!

Anyone can learn to do this if they want. Some people call it talent...I think it is mostly determination.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 01:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2VENOM (Post 1104635)
Another great video! The level of skill and craftsmanship involved to produce a Kirkham is outstanding. Again, thanks for sharing. Darren.

Darren,

Your car is next up at Kirkham Motorsports University! I am really excited because we will show the entire process of figuring out where to cut the nose off your car, cutting it, building the sub-structure, and putting it all back together again. It should be a lot of fun.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 01:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamo (Post 1104636)
Somebody told me somebody wanted a bronze piece to go with a copper one, but I didn't believe him.

So...comparing arruminum, copper and now the time you've had with bronze...what is each material like? Weight? Softness? Durability from skin rashes?

I swear...there are not many folks walking this planet who can repeatedly knock my socks off...amazing stuff. :)

Doubting Jamo,

Seeing is believing.

Aluminum is very light and quite soft. Aluminum is 1/3 the density of copper or bronze. (Copper is slightly denser than bronze as bronze is copper alloyed with something else, usually tin). In our case, the silicon bronze we are using is about 97% copper and 3% silicon. The silicon helps it to weld and gives it a beautiful golden color.

Copper is softer than bronze, but harder than aluminum. Silicon bronze has a yield strength of around 50,000 psi. The aluminum in the original AC Cobra had a yield of around 10,000 psi. So, you can see the bronze is a beast to form. We had to heat the bronze up to lift it off the die then slap it back down (while hot) to get it to lay down against the die. It was a real job. But, it really made a beautiful part when we were finished. So far, no skin rashes :)

As for knocking socks off--wait until next week. Sandwich is cooking up something really cool in the mill right now.

David
:):):)

FredBMOC 01-23-2011 02:56 AM

Wow, Really impressive! I don't have a Kirkham but I might just want to check out the open house.
Keep up the great work!

Excaliber 01-23-2011 05:05 AM

David says,
Quote:

I think it is mostly determination.
Wow, I'm worn out just watching the vid and thinking about the work involved! I won't be applying for a job anytime soon David. :)

rtstrack 01-23-2011 06:23 AM

WOW...that was unbelievable. Your guys do amazing work

Three Peaks 01-23-2011 09:44 AM

David,
Do you have the complete set of dies to do a complete car (coupe or cobra) or are those housed in Poland?

What type of file are you using to smooth the part? Is this the same process you would use to flatten the welds as in the body/chassis offered in the scratch and dent sale that was unfinished?

Is this polishing process the same process you use to polish the Aluminum cobras?

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FredBMOC (Post 1104657)
Wow, Really impressive! I don't have a Kirkham but I might just want to check out the open house.
Keep up the great work!

Come on by. There will be LOTS of exciting things this year.

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 01-23-2011 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excaliber (Post 1104667)
David says,


Wow, I'm worn out just watching the vid and thinking about the work involved! I won't be applying for a job anytime soon David. :)

Actually, several of my guys have told me it is the best job they could have ever imagined. People are generally happier when they work hard and have fun. Here at Kirkham, we take both to excess. :D

David
:):):)


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