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Robert McLinden 02-02-2011 02:36 PM

David,

Alfa engines have been wet sleeved for generations. Cast Aluminum blocks with iron sleeves. If I remember correctly the liners had flanges toward the bottom that rested on an O ring against the block. They were held in place by the clylinder head. If assembled correctly it was bullet proof to 9000 rpm on the street, if not it wouldn't last a week.

fordracing65 02-02-2011 03:00 PM

A wet sleeve the outer surface is part of the water jacket around the cylinder, this helps speed up heat transfer between the bore and coolant. With coolant indirect contact with the cylinder sleeve corrision CAN be a problem. It can even insulant the sleeve from the coolant which reduces the main advantage of having a wet sleeve at all. The walls on a wet sleeve are thicker than on a dry sleeve, they dont have the same support from the block as dry sleeves so they depend on there wall thickness. In diesel engines vibration caused by combustion can cause CAVITATION this damage appears similar to corrosion and can eventually destroy the engine. Now that said i understand wet sleeving is a viable option, just dont see it too much in big block daily drivers. (I DONT DOUBT THE KIRKHAMS FOR ONE SECOND)

David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:33 PM

Drilling the oil galley.

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David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sal Gerace (Post 1106932)
David is a reality tv show in the works!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmustang (Post 1106943)
Keeping up with the Kirkhams :LOL:

:LOL:

We're just here making dreams come true. I have a wonderful crew who believe in their soul, "If you make a mistake what's the worst that can happen? You learn something. We don't make mistakes...we have happy accidents." Bob Ross

Thanks guys!

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert McLinden (Post 1106950)
David,

Alfa engines have been wet sleeved for generations. Cast Aluminum blocks with iron sleeves. If I remember correctly the liners had flanges toward the bottom that rested on an O ring against the block. They were held in place by the clylinder head. If assembled correctly it was bullet proof to 9000 rpm on the street, if not it wouldn't last a week.

That sounds like most things in life. If an FE isn't assembled right it won't last 2 minutes :CRY:

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:39 PM

Milling the outside port for the main oil galley. We eliminated the lower oil remote and will plumb the oil cooler hoses directly to the block...why have extra parts?

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David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:42 PM

The mains are almost done.

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David Kirkham 02-02-2011 03:44 PM

Getting ready to do the final pass on the cylinder bores with a boring head.

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David Kirkham 02-02-2011 04:16 PM

We had to do a little custom work on the boring bar to make it stick out past the boring head.

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David Kirkham 02-02-2011 04:26 PM

The bore is quite deep for the sleeve.

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David Kirkham 02-06-2011 09:05 AM

Here is the YouTube video from Kirkham Motorsports University. Here we show you how we took a solid, 386 pound block of aluminum and machined it into a 427 FE engine block.

David
:):):)


N2VENOM 02-06-2011 11:53 AM

David, impressive video! After the R&D is competed, will this block go into production? I hate to ask, I'm sitting down, how much$$? Peace, Darren.

David Kirkham 02-06-2011 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by N2VENOM (Post 1107927)
David, impressive video! After the R&D is competed, will this block go into production? I hate to ask, I'm sitting down, how much$$? Peace, Darren.

Glad you liked the video. I think it is my favorite one to day. Thanks for the ideas and the push to help us get this going. (We will have another Flip-Top video tomorrow :)

We don't have a price yet. We don't even have a running engine yet :LOL:

We are hoping to have it sell for less than the Shelby or Pond block...:eek:

David
:):):)

Racer_X 02-06-2011 01:35 PM

Wow! 17 percent of the original chunk of aluminum left!
Just goes to show the other 83 percent is a waste.
Kirkham only keeps what's necessary to produce power.
Can't wait to see the dyno run and final pricing to see if I can fit it in my budget.

Congrats Kirkham team! Another project done with excellence.

David Kirkham 02-06-2011 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Racer_X (Post 1107956)
Wow! 17 percent of the original chunk of aluminum left!
Just goes to show the other 83 percent is a waste.
Kirkham only keeps what's necessary to produce power.
Can't wait to see the dyno run and final pricing to see if I can fit it in my budget.

Congrats Kirkham team! Another project done with excellence.

Thanks for the kind words. If it doesn't make the car go faster...we left it out. :D

The other 83 percent isn't waste--it is on its way back to Alcoa to turn back into a block some day :D

David
:):):)

ps. we have a bunch of parts here for you. I'll call you tomorrow.

Bluedog 02-06-2011 02:00 PM

Re:
 
Wow, that is about 1/2 the weight of my 427 Shelby block! Simply amazing!

Are you going to etch in the timing marks for accuracy?

What'saCobra? 02-06-2011 03:09 PM

"We don't make mistakes...we have happy accidents."
Or... schedule-altering learning experiences. At DARPA, we called that "research".

Our friends at KSC and Thiokol used to call them VLE's. Sounds benign until i give you the code: Very Large Explosions.

Absolutely facinatin' work, chappies. Dobbers'up! Wet sleeves forever. See Alfas above.

If we could only take that milling machine to DC. 83% waste seems about right.

i could live forever on your and Tiger's throw-away.

David Kirkham 02-06-2011 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bluedog (Post 1107969)
Wow, that is about 1/2 the weight of my 427 Shelby block! Simply amazing!

Are you going to etch in the timing marks for accuracy?

It really is quite light. Where would we etch in the marks?

David
:):):)

David Kirkham 02-06-2011 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by What'saCobra? (Post 1107992)
"We don't make mistakes...we have happy accidents."
Or... schedule-altering learning experiences. At DARPA, we called that "research".

Our friends at KSC and Thiokol used to call them VLE's. Sounds benign until i give you the code: Very Large Explosions.

Absolutely facinatin' work, chappies. Dobbers'up! Wet sleeves forever. See Alfas above.

If we could only take that milling machine to DC. 83% waste seems about right.

i could live forever on your and Tiger's throw-away.

Thanks for the kind words. What Shingo taught could easily apply to DC. I doubt there are many people there who want to listen, however. Sometimes I wonder if it is a feature--not a bug :CRY:

David
:):):)

LoyWarr 02-07-2011 01:15 AM

This thing is gorgeous! As you said quite a bit different from what you originally envisioned. Wet sleeve, webbing in the lifter valley, I’ll be quite interested to hear what you learned from the F1 engines that you didn’t already know.

With cast iron sleeves and the bottom to go, what do you expect the final weight to be?

Again, that thing looks so good I can see glass windows in the side of the engine bay just to show it off, that or perhaps a lot of flip tops.


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