| David Kirkham |
02-10-2011 07:16 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65
(Post 1109077)
The block is amazing, next will be to upggrade the old fe head with a new super high flowing billet head, think of that block, state of the art, with brand new state of the art heads, lots of power to be found in them heads.
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We have thought seriously about a billet head. We are just thinking about how to make it work without too much headache.
David
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| slider701 |
02-10-2011 07:32 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Kirkham
(Post 1109086)
We have thought seriously about a billet head. We are just thinking about how to make it work without too much headache.
David
:):):)
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What if you designed the heads in a way that the combustion chambers were actually separate from the head and installed after the head was machined. You could machine the chamber inserts so they are an interference fit and have to be either pressed in place or super cooled and installed in a hot head, then staked or tacked in place. That way you could machine the water jackets inside the heads, then install the chambers afterward.
Sealing would be a challenge, along with keeping the strength of the head.
I guess I would have see the Solidworks model and start sectioning it to visualize how to machine it out of a solid chunk of metal. |
| David Kirkham |
02-10-2011 07:42 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by slider701
(Post 1109094)
What if you designed the heads in a way that the combustion chambers were actually separate from the head and installed after the head was machined. You could machine the chamber inserts so they are an interference fit and have to be either pressed in place or super cooled and installed in a hot head, then staked or tacked in place. That way you could machine the water jackets inside the heads, then install the chambers afterward.
Sealing would be a challenge, along with keeping the strength of the head.
I guess I would have see the Solidworks model and start sectioning it to visualize how to machine it out of a solid chunk of metal.
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We have thought of exactly that. You are right, the sealing is the catch. A head is a very harsh environment with temperature and pressure and all sorts of fun.
David
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| fordracing65 |
02-10-2011 07:50 PM |
I know one method of f1 cylinder head sealing, one being machined byrillium copper rings, but beryillium copper i heard is dangerous when heated, Ping wont make golf clubs out of beryllium anymore due to some kind of government regulation.
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| David Kirkham |
02-10-2011 07:53 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65
(Post 1109103)
I know one method of f1 cylinder head sealing, one being machined byrillium copper rings, but beryillium copper i heard is dangerous when heated, Ping wont make golf clubs out of beryllium anymore due to some kind of government regulation.
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Beryllium is toxic to a percentage of the population. It is really only used in aerospace now. (Racing heads do use it for valve seats. The only thing higher than its thermal conductivity is the cost :CRY:
David
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| fordracing65 |
02-10-2011 07:57 PM |
When is a DOHC engine in the makes , the way they rev is fun.
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| slider701 |
02-10-2011 07:58 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by David Kirkham
(Post 1109099)
We have thought of exactly that. You are right, the sealing is the catch. A head is a very harsh environment with temperature and pressure and all sorts of fun.
David
:):):)
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OK........thought about it more. Come at it from the other end.........from the valve train side. Make the area where the valve seats are as a removable plate so you can get into the backside of the combustion chambers and intake/exhaust runners to machine the water jackets. It then becomes much easier to seal off the water jackets into the valve train area without having to worry about combustion gas pressures. |
David, for the 2011 Mustang 5.0L Production Aluminum Bock, Ford is using " Low pressure cast 319 aluminum " , as mentioned in their advertisement.
With castings, the selection of aluminum to be used is different, as compared to the aluminum in the machining process you are using ?
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| David Kirkham |
02-11-2011 11:21 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by fordracing65
(Post 1109106)
When is a DOHC engine in the makes , the way they rev is fun.
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It's all we can do to keep up with SOHC motors :D
David
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| David Kirkham |
02-11-2011 11:23 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by slider701
(Post 1109107)
OK........thought about it more. Come at it from the other end.........from the valve train side. Make the area where the valve seats are as a removable plate so you can get into the backside of the combustion chambers and intake/exhaust runners to machine the water jackets. It then becomes much easier to seal off the water jackets into the valve train area without having to worry about combustion gas pressures.
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Yes, we have thought about that too and I think that is the only way that will work. We will have to keep the joint as far away from the combustion chamber as possible to keep the heat out of the seal. Still thinking on this one.
David
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| David Kirkham |
02-11-2011 11:33 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Don
(Post 1109253)
David, for the 2011 Mustang 5.0L Production Aluminum Bock, Ford is using " Low pressure cast 319 aluminum " , as mentioned in their advertisement.
With castings, the selection of aluminum to be used is different, as compared to the aluminum in the machining process you are using ?
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Yes! Casting alloys and machining alloys are very different! We used 319 some time ago for our differentials and we didn't like it at all. The strength with 319 is less than 356T-6 and we didn't like how it machined. 319 is not heat treated. It is used "as cast" therefore, it is cheaper than 356T-6 (which I imagine is why Ford has switched to that alloy).
Now, Ford has VAST experience casting. Anything they cast will be far better than anything a small casting house can produce with small casting runs.
David
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