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Old 03-17-2011, 06:38 PM
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Default Looking for advice on titling a Kirkham

Looking at a new Kirkham on MSO.
The car will be registered/titled in Ohio.
My understanding from the BMV is that the Ohio title has to read 2011 self assembled car.
I want the title to read 1965 Kirkham 289 cobra roadster or something close to that.
Any ideas on how to accomplish this? Title transfer through another state?
Kirkham owners: how do your titles read?
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Old 03-18-2011, 02:43 AM
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Looking at a new Kirkham on MSO.
The car will be registered/titled in Ohio.
My understanding from the BMV is that the Ohio title has to read 2011 self assembled car.
I want the title to read 1965 Kirkham 289 cobra roadster or something close to that.
Any ideas on how to accomplish this? Title transfer through another state?
Kirkham owners: how do your titles read?
Thanks
Sorry, if you live in Ohio, in order to legally title your new Kirkham it will read as thelaw states it will. To ask how to circumnavigate the process in a public manner opens you up to the possibility of having your car confiscated by the state police.......Is getting your car titled as a 65 really worth losing it?

http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/bmv3774.pdf


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Old 03-18-2011, 03:59 AM
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You didn't like your anwers on the same post by a slightly different name so you tried again huh?
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Old 03-18-2011, 06:34 AM
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To start the process you have to go down to your local BMV office and pay $50 (I think) for a form to take with the car to a state highway patrol inspection station. You have to get an appointment for that. The fun begins there.
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You didn't like your anwers on the same post by a slightly different name so you tried again huh?

Mickmate,
If I wanted to disguise the thread as a second one I certainly could have done a better job. I did not start a similar post because I didn't like the answers I got. I am appreciative of all the answers I received, even yours.

The reason I started a similar thread in the Kirkham section is to get to the Kirkham owners who might not have read the other thread.
I am still interested in hearing how Kirkham owners have their cars titled.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:09 AM
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I think the answer is brand-independent... nobody makes a 1965 car in 2011, but some states let you register a replica as the year-of-car that it replicates.

Some don't.

It's your state law, not the mfg.

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Computerworks is correct, registering in Ohio is brand independent. I do not have a Kirkham, but my Shelby 6000 series is titled as a 2010 self assembled vehicle. The Kirkham will not be treated any differently. That being said, there is little about this process in Ohio that is perfectly predictable. Dealing with the Ohio BMV can sometimes be very frustrating. Also, there are numerous replica Cobra's titled in Ohio as 1965 or 1966 that have only been registered in Ohio (not a transferred title but original to Ohio). That is not supposed to happen but it has How do they do this???? I don't know. Mr. Mustang makes the valid point that doing this is risky but I have never heard of a car being confiscated in Ohio for this reason.
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Another route may be to find a used car already titled the way you want in another state. The DMV will just check the VIN against the title and issue you an ohio title. I've had two ERA's, the first one was titled as a 66 shelby, the same as the iowa title I got with the car. The second was titled as an assembled vehicle, the year it was assembled just as the michigan title was when I bought the car.
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Sorry, if you live in Ohio, in order to legally title your new Kirkham it will read as thelaw states it will. To ask how to circumnavigate the process in a public manner opens you up to the possibility of having your car confiscated by the state police.......Is getting your car titled as a 65 really worth losing it?

http://publicsafety.ohio.gov/links/bmv3774.pdf


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Bill,
I appreciate the information.
Let's say that someone runs the title through another state that is lenient on the description of the car. Then titles it from there in Ohio. The other state collects state sales tax and Ohio collects state sales tax. The only difference being is that the title now says 1965 Kirkham instead of 2011 assembled vehicle.
Why would Ohio care?
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Bill,
I appreciate the information.
Let's say that someone runs the title through another state that is lenient on the description of the car. Then titles it from there in Ohio. The other state collects state sales tax and Ohio collects state sales tax. The only difference being is that the title now says 1965 Kirkham instead of 2011 assembled vehicle.
Why would Ohio care?
If you are not a full time resident of that "other state" (IE: you are not a licensed driver in that state), then this is really a moot point. Regardless, in todays day and age, it really does not matter what year or description is on the title....As for my warning of confiscation, while it has not happened in Ohio (yet), it has happened in several other states where a knock on the door is proceeded by the impoundment of the vehicle for title fraud. If you have more money than brains, then do it any way you like. If however you are a fairly intelligent human being you'll just title it the legally way, get in, turn the key and drive the heck out of it.........

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I think the problem you'll find is they have terminology that they will title it by. I don't think you'll be able to decide what that is. It would have to be under a manufacturer which is to them a big company that crash tests, emissions tests and sells complete running vehicles. I have people knowledgeable about the system that can guide me on that before I fill a form out but there's still inconsistencies and I sure can't tell them I'd heard different from....... you've just gotta check the right boxes on the forms. If you can find an Ohio Cobra guy that's been through it on here that will be helpful or anyone you know who is familiar with the system. You'll be an expert on it when you're done, good luck.
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If you are not a full time resident of that "other state" (IE: you are not a licensed driver in that state), then this is really a moot point. Regardless, in todays day and age, it really does not matter what year or description is on the title....As for my warning of confiscation, while it has not happened in Ohio (yet), it has happened in several other states where a knock on the door is proceeded by the impoundment of the vehicle for title fraud. If you have more money than brains, then do it any way you like. If however you are a fairly intelligent human being you'll just title it the legally way, get in, turn the key and drive the heck out of it.........

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So what states like you mentioned, have state police officers/members going through forums in seach of individuals trying to go around their state's proper titling procedure?
I wouldn't worry about it. But I guess that means according to Bill S that I have "more money then brains" and am not a "fairly intelligent human being" There are ao many absurd and illogical state/national laws for minor things, and gaping holes for major ones, but lets not get started

OP, I hope you find an easy way to title your car, keep us up to date (or don't if you are worried about the state Po-Po )
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CT has a Model Year registration law for all types of kit cars, the vehicle year is the same year the vehicle most closely resembles. All kit cars, whether self constructed or turn key, have the Make name of Composite, even if previously registered out of state with a different make year and name. Title reads the same way.

As an example: 1965 Composite
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It seems that Ohio is one of the states that has created a channel for the registration of specially constructed vehicles such as the Kirkham. California has done the same with Senate Bill 100. My Kirkham, 625, is registered as a 2009 SPCNS. It is great to live in a state that understands the value of registering these cars; work with them.

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So what states like you mentioned, have state police officers/members going through forums in seach of individuals trying to go around their state's proper titling procedure?
I wouldn't worry about it. But I guess that means according to Bill S that I have "more money then brains" and am not a "fairly intelligent human being" There are ao many absurd and illogical state/national laws for minor things, and gaping holes for major ones, but lets not get started

OP, I hope you find an easy way to title your car, keep us up to date (or don't if you are worried about the state Po-Po )
Not police, but State Attorneys from California and Connecticut are guaranteed and confirmed here (officers of the DMV/MVS from several others)........Cars being impounded while paperwork/titles are confiscated, just the ones I have personal knowledge over, both those states, PA, NJ, DC, Texas, , South Carolina, North Dakota, Georgia, and yes, Ohio (all kit car related)......Again, you live in Ohio, follow your state laws and be done with it.


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