Coyote 5.0L in a Kirkham?

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by berzerko

I guess everyone is entitled to there option thats what makes horse races and for a good debate
I supose me and spec op are on the same page and will keep our "junk yard motors" in our fake cars. Ironicly my engine came from a junk yard, cost me $1500 and if you figure H.P per dollar I win by a mile

just out of curiousity if you love your cammer soooo much why you selling?

I Have a Kirkham with an FE on the way. I build cobras and sell them all the time, this is my 4th one, and yes I love the mod motor cobra, thats why I built it 4 years ago, with a 6 speed magnum, just not in a Kirkham, it needs an FE. (I like your car by the way, and the backdraft cobra coyote.)

[Avmaviator]

My next Kirkham will have a 4 cyl Honda turbocharged engine. It will be much better on gas, sounds awesome when revving high, and it is cheap.

[SpecOp1]

Wow no elitism here .....I just was making an example of the new technology...I also think a Kirkham should have a monster motor....too bad the original poster and others want to think out of the box....

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by SpecOp1

Wow no elitism here .....

Who/what are you refering to? I started this whole thread, and after seeing the list of mods needed to be done to the chassis to put the Coyote, I quickly said no. And frankly, I'm super happy and glad we went the all alum FE.

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Avmaviator

Who/what are you refering to? I started this whole thread, and after seeing the list of mods needed to be done to the chassis to put the Coyote, I quickly said no. And frankly, I'm super happy and glad we went the all alum FE.

Good choice, i'm sure your car is awesome, I hope my Kirkham comes out a bad ass as yours. (I wouldnt put a cammer dohc, or coyote in a Kirkham either)

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by Avmaviator

My next Kirkham will have a 4 cyl Honda turbocharged engine. It will be much better on gas, sounds awesome when revving high, and it is cheap.

I'm really liking this idea and then I'd install one of those fart can exhausts. That would sound SO cool in a Kirkham.

[mrmustang]

Originally Posted by RodKnock

I'm really liking this idea and then I'd install one of those fart can exhausts. That would sound SO cool in a Kirkham.

Did you see the original exhaust tips Mark Reid was going to use on his Kirkham 289FIA

[mreid]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Did you see the original exhaust tips Mark Reid was going to use on his Kirkham 289FIA

I know where you live and work and I could come by and install them on your car when you're not looking!

[1ntCobra]

Originally Posted by mreid

I know where you live and work and I could come by and install them on your car when you're not looking!

I would not mess with MrMustang's car, I hear he has a large box of "I'm not Capt. Dave" bumper stickers...

[RodKnock]

Originally Posted by mrmustang

Did you see the original exhaust tips Mark Reid was going to use on his Kirkham 289FIA

Yep, but he installed the wrong engine for those tips.

[SinCityJets]

Hey there....FNG here. I just ordered a BDR with the Coyote. In regards to the BDR, it was about investment/return. However, in regards to the Coyote, it was about tinkering, lack of knowledge and/or skill. I want to buy the car, push the buttin, and go. I am not a mechanic by trade and just don't want to have to screw around with a carbed engine. I also liked the reliability, fuel mileage, and the fact that YES, IF I blow the motor (for whatever reason) it is a $6k replacement.

To me, ALL these cars are over-priced chassis with beautiful fiberglass bodies (most of them), so whay not enjoy other modern comforts. You still get the great sound, great power and performance. There really is NO downside to the Coyote.

Just my .04 (I live in Vegas and bet my .02 on black.....and WON!)

Chad

[lovehamr]

Chad I understand your point of view and can go with it with some exceptions. For ME the sound of a Coyote isn't even close to a BB so that would be a down side for ME as would be opening the hood with a stock Coyote. Being a natural tinkerer, playing with the mechanics is all part of the fun foe ME as well. However there are times, like after fighting with replacing a rear hub bearing for 2 days, that I'd like the simplicity of a new car! Of course all of those "ME"s are just there just because those are only my points of view and (like that orifice) we all have one.

Steve

[Slick61]

Originally Posted by Avmaviator

Should I even dare mention the two together? To be honest we are throwing around this idea for our build right now... We have two quotes for 452s currently with reputable engine builders, but we are also looking into this Coyote engine. There is currently a video out there of a Superformance with one in there, and it works pretty darn well.
The question is, would it fit in there? I know we can still use a TKO-600 with that engine but I'm not sure what are the physical dimension differences between the engines (working on getting those numbers).

Anyways, would we get lynched for doing this?

... totally digging the coyote/Kirkham combination... I think it's a great idea... great power, great driveability, great reliability, and even great mileage... a modern interpretation of an iconic automobile. Obviously, the roller/engine combination is a highly sentimental subject to many. Stick to your guns & build it the way YOU want it!

Reading through all these posts has been quite amusing. There's certainly no shortage of opinions, that's for sure! I have my own opinions as well... I like your idea... and hope you follow through with it... I think I'll stop there.

[RestoCreations]

If 289 is to original Gt350 as supercharged 5.0 modular is to modern day GT350 and 428FE is to original GT500 as Supercharged 5.4L Modular motor is to current GT500, then one must conclude that it is only logical to use a 5.4L supercharged Shelby Modular engine in a 427 bodied Kirkham, if a mod motor is so desired.

[berzerko]

Originally Posted by RestoCreations

If 289 is to original Gt350 as supercharged 5.0 modular is to modern day GT350 and 428FE is to original GT500 as Supercharged 5.4L Modular motor is to current GT500, then one must conclude that it is only logical to use a 5.4L supercharged Shelby Modular engine in a 427 bodied Kirkham, if a mod motor is so desired.

exactly although it seems everyone has an option, but if you truly feel that a gt 500 5.4 was not exotic enough for a kirkham you could spend extra on a 5.4 ford gt mod although visually I'm not sure you could tell the difference

[Avmaviator]

Originally Posted by Slick61

... totally digging the coyote/Kirkham combination... I think it's a great idea... great power, great driveability, great reliability, and even great mileage... a modern interpretation of an iconic automobile. Obviously, the roller/engine combination is a highly sentimental subject to many. Stick to your guns & build it the way YOU want it!

Reading through all these posts has been quite amusing. There's certainly no shortage of opinions, that's for sure! I have my own opinions as well... I like your idea... and hope you follow through with it... I think I'll stop there.

Well, I did not follow through with it, mostly because one night, I went out in the garage and saw this...


I got to say I had been drinking a bit but that message was enough for me to choose which direction to go.
But seriously, after seeing the mods needed, and several other factors, I went with an FE and am pretty darn happy with it

[Cashburn]

That new 5.8 would be a winner... The 2013 Shelby GT500 actually has a top speed of 202 MPH

[Dimis]

WARNING - this post is designed to encourage debate. It is not meant in an inflamatory manner, but may easily be perceived that way.


If you want modern (427) engine
It could only be an ls7,
forged titanium, 6-bolt mains you should try us,
Anything else, coyote or ford is merely bias!


Like I've said before, truth is it's each to their own with this stuff & I for truly enjoy the variety & craftmenship that goes in to this stuff...
But can someone please explain - if people are willing to "push the edge" (& more power be to them) with a modern engine, why they feel it's ok to put a coyote in the engine bay and scoff at the thought an ls7!?

It seems to me that the ls7 out of the box, is arguably a superior engine, and would fit happily in the engine bay of any modern cobra replica, without the need to modify foot boxes and chassis.

So if all things are equal, I've concluded this rubric generally explains the majority:
People who chose with their hearts pick the fe.
People who chose with their wallets probably pick the widsor
People who chose with their heads should pick the ls7
So how does one end up with the coyote?

[fordracing65]

Originally Posted by Dimis

WARNING - this post is designed to encourage debate. It is not meant in an inflamatory manner, but may easily be perceived that way.


If you want modern (427) engine
It could only be an ls7,
forged titanium, 6-bolt mains you should try us,
Anything else, coyote or ford is merely bias!


Like I've said before, truth is it's each to their own with this stuff & I for truly enjoy the variety & craftmenship that goes in to this stuff...
But can someone please explain - if people are willing to "push the edge" (& more power be to them) with a modern engine, why they feel it's ok to put a coyote in the engine bay and scoff at the thought an ls7!?

It seems to me that the ls7 out of the box, is arguably a superior engine, and would fit happily in the engine bay of any modern cobra replica, without the need to modify foot boxes and chassis.

So if all things are equal, I've concluded this rubric generally explains the majority:
People who chose with their hearts pick the fe.
People who chose with their wallets probably pick the widsor
People who chose with their heads should pick the ls7
So how does one end up with the coyote?

I agree totally, the ls7 is by far the best crate motor going, thats why the corvette has such a huge following there awesome.

[SinCityJets]

Originally Posted by Dimis

WARNING - this post is designed to encourage debate. It is not meant in an inflamatory manner, but may easily be perceived that way.


So if all things are equal, I've concluded this rubric generally explains the majority:
People who chose with their hearts pick the fe.
People who chose with their wallets probably pick the widsor
People who chose with their heads should pick the ls7
So how does one end up with the coyote?

I would have to say it is the same reason people buy a BDR or Superformance over a Kirkham....diminishing returns. Would I rather have a Kirkham, sure, especially those all metal bodies (the copper is my favorite), but on my measley pennance, I can not afford one, so i went with a car that is still a great quality, superb looks, and a LOT less expensive. Same with the Coyote, if I could find an LS7 for $6k, I'd be all over it...but there aren't any (new ones), so i went with a (so far) reliable motor with a lot of horsepower and the same modern technology.

But if your going to go that far, get an original.....or at least the real name-brand Shelby. It's almost cracks me up that there are "classes" amongst the replicas.

"My fake car is better than your fake car!" And "My not-the-same engine is better than your not-the-same engine."

For me it's about the best bang for my buck! But, then again, I'm a FNG!

Chad