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05-11-2009, 06:10 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Jacksonville,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #570 w Shelby FE
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I modded my own housing as all I got from KM was a picture of the back flange with a hole and an arrow pointing to it. As I understand it there was supposed to be more detailed instructions included, but I found this out after calling to verify that my measurements showed that the fork opening needed to be enlarged.
I used a laser line to get the centerline from the mounted cylinder to the centerline of the trans opening and measuring the fork from the pivot to the throwout bearing nubs gave me the distance from trans opening centerline for the location of the hole on the flange.
I used a cutoff wheel in my die grinder to trim about 1/2" off the top of the opening for fork clearance. The fork has to be slightly higher to clear the frame rails. (probably not an issue with the 3" frame) After re-painting the trim-out you can't even tell it's there.
David did tell me in another thread that the bottom lip should be trimmed off on the QT, just like the lakewood. (unless you don't mind it scraping)
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05-11-2009, 06:27 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Portland,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham 427 S/C #253, KCR Built CSX #452
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamo
My original belief was just confirmed...KMP does not make the fork for toploaders except as they modified it for Scott. The bellhousing obviously has little to do with it (except for mounting alternatives for different styles or modifications needed for clearance)...it's all in the bearing design.
In any event, I've been assured that a setup will be modified for oversized Armenian left legs.  |
Jamo,
Obviously you have spoken to Thomas and that is correct -- the bearing end of the deal and some minor tweaks.
You will enjoy and you are welcome...
Scott
p.s. it really is a piece of artwork -- thank you kmp. |
05-11-2009, 06:33 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 184/482ci Shelby
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Naw...I was only able to talk to David, which means I'll probably end up with a billet fork that costs $100,000.
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05-11-2009, 06:39 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham 427 S/C #253, KCR Built CSX #452
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Just offset it with your next legal advisory meeting...
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05-11-2009, 07:12 PM
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Hi Tom Cimino,
I have many different versions that are bolt-on and weld-on depending on the bellhousing used, chassis clearance and clutch type. I even have a push style for 302 stock aluminum T-5 & TKO bellhousings.
What engine, clutch kit and transmission are you looking to fit?
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Forte's Parts Connection
40 Pearl St
Framingham, Ma. 01702
fortesparts.com
508 875 0016
In 1993 Mike made the first conversion of a Ford Tremec to GM 5-speed. It bolts to stock bellhousings w/out an adapter. The FE Tremec, the Mustang adjustable quadrant are originals from Mike.
One of 12 Tremec Elite Distributors worldwide for: T-5, T-56 Magnum & TKO-500 & TKO-600 ,Midshifter, Frt shifter, offset Vette shifter.
Est: 1981 selling performance parts to build your dream car...
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05-11-2009, 07:15 PM
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Cobra Make, Engine: Contemporary, FE, Tremec TKO 600
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xlr8or
3170, I think that is the non-SFI version as it has the small lip on the bottom. I believe any cutting on there will void the SFI cert.
I'm on my second quicktime housing and billet slave setup from Forte and they work beautifully without enlarging the hole.
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I'll second what xlr8or says - I have Mike Forte's Quicktime bell with his proprietary custom slave cylinder setup - it's a VERY nice and well engineered setup. |
05-11-2009, 07:16 PM
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Hi JAMO,
I have a version to fit a Toploader. What clutch type are you using diaphram or 3 finger Long?
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Forte's Parts Connection
40 Pearl St
Framingham, Ma. 01702
fortesparts.com
508 875 0016
In 1993 Mike made the first conversion of a Ford Tremec to GM 5-speed. It bolts to stock bellhousings w/out an adapter. The FE Tremec, the Mustang adjustable quadrant are originals from Mike.
One of 12 Tremec Elite Distributors worldwide for: T-5, T-56 Magnum & TKO-500 & TKO-600 ,Midshifter, Frt shifter, offset Vette shifter.
Est: 1981 selling performance parts to build your dream car...
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05-11-2009, 08:00 PM
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Mike, I'm pulling the motor out in a few weeks since me thinks el clutcho is gone-o from several years of track use. Not sure what I'll be using going foward, but I may be talking to you and go whole hog. Scott's been talking highly of your setup ever since he used it in the tin can.
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05-11-2009, 08:18 PM
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Location: Concord Twp.,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Everett-Morrison 427SC 302 smallblock. 431 stroker in the works, tremec 3550
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeforte
Hi Tom Cimino,
I have many different versions that are bolt-on and weld-on depending on the bellhousing used, chassis clearance and clutch type. I even have a push style for 302 stock aluminum T-5 & TKO bellhousings.
What engine, clutch kit and transmission are you looking to fit?
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I'm going to be using an FE stroker. I have a Lakewood 15210 bell housing, Tremec 3550 with toploader style input shaft (length). No clutch yet. Everett-Morrison, built in 1995. Right now I have a small block with a Tilton Hyd. throwout bearing. |
05-12-2009, 04:43 AM
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Hi Tom,
I can help you with the corrcet flywheel & clutch kit along with a bellhousing & release assembly. If you already have the bellhousing, I'll machine it @ no charge for the labor.
Call me anytime today,
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Forte's Parts Connection
40 Pearl St
Framingham, Ma. 01702
fortesparts.com
508 875 0016
In 1993 Mike made the first conversion of a Ford Tremec to GM 5-speed. It bolts to stock bellhousings w/out an adapter. The FE Tremec, the Mustang adjustable quadrant are originals from Mike.
One of 12 Tremec Elite Distributors worldwide for: T-5, T-56 Magnum & TKO-500 & TKO-600 ,Midshifter, Frt shifter, offset Vette shifter.
Est: 1981 selling performance parts to build your dream car...
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05-12-2009, 09:34 AM
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Mike...thanks for all of your input and willingness to help, but I must remind you this is a manufacturer's (KMP'S) forum.
Thanks.
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03-16-2010, 05:58 PM
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Location: San Carlos, Carmel,
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Cobra Make, Engine: Kirkham #625 427S/C, 468 ci Al block, 615 HP
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I am in the process of fitting the QuickTime bellhousing and Kirkham clutch fork to 625. If you flip the billet bracket over (the slave is off-center) then the fork aligns exactly to the BH opening and no modification required to the BH. Has anyone tried this; is there a clearance problem? The billet projects about 1.5 inches lower than the standard install. I have been measuring in my engine compartment and it seems ok. Aside from my innate laziness, I prefer the smaller opening to contain clutch bits, etc.
Many thanks.
Mark
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03-16-2010, 07:40 PM
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oops, never mind
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03-17-2010, 05:39 AM
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I used the lakewood bell on my car with a tko. We milled the opening a bit. The heim joint thread needed to be cut down a bit as well. Otherwise it fit fine. I wonder how different the toploader fork is
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03-17-2010, 01:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Thompson
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I'm guessing you found out about the frame tube clearance issue...  |
03-18-2010, 08:23 AM
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Yes, I did. The first time I measured I used the wrong reference point and thought it cleared. When I measured a second time I found my mistake. I have already attacked the bell housing; it's not yours until you cut a hole in it!
Mark
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03-18-2010, 10:12 PM
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Mark,
Call if you have any questions. Happy to help.
David
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03-20-2010, 08:32 AM
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Thanks David, I will. It is fun and instructive to browse these archives as I do the hardware prep for installation.
Mark
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03-20-2010, 08:30 PM
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Mark,
Keep it up. You'll be motoring soon!
David
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10-22-2015, 09:57 AM
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Cobra Make, Engine: KMP 427 S/C, Twin Paxton 511 FE
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I know this is an old thread but...
On the Kirkham billet assembly, the heim mounted to the BH acting as the pivot is a newly drilled hole, no?
I want to get this setup but the K's aren't answering the phone.
If you're using it, tell me about it, please. It looks awesome. It'll be a part of KMP600 v3.1 
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