Muslims in the US Armed Forces

[elmariachi]

Just my opinion....but the quality of 18 year-olds being produced by this country today pales miserably in comparison to 1945-1960. The majority of young men were strong, motivated, ethical, hard-working, patriotic God-fearing heterosexuals. Such is not the case today in our "All volunteer" military.

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Just my opinion....but the quality of 18 year-olds being produced by this country today pales miserably in comparison to 1945-1960.

Mmmm. Maybe.

The majority of young men were strong, motivated, ethical, hard-working, patriotic God-fearing heterosexuals.

Well, that's what all the movies show. Their moms vacuumed the house wearing pearls, too.

[Ron61]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Just my opinion....but the quality of 18 year-olds being produced by this country today pales miserably in comparison to 1945-1960. The majority of young men were strong, motivated, ethical, hard-working, patriotic God-fearing heterosexuals. Such is not the case today in our "All volunteer" military.

From what I have seen the past few years that is a pretty accurate assessment of what is happening. Can't fail a student for not passing a grade, can't even make them attend classes in this district as it is a violation of their rights. I really don't think that any person looking at the high school grads today could honestly say they are as well educated and intelligent as the ones from years back who worked hard to get an education while now they have the idea they should just sit back and have everything given to them.

Sorry Buzz, not trying to hijack your thread .

Ron

[SPF2245]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Just my opinion....but the quality of 18 year-olds being produced by this country today pales miserably in comparison to 1945-1960. The majority of young men were strong, motivated, ethical, hard-working, patriotic God-fearing heterosexuals. Such is not the case today in our "All volunteer" military.

I'm sure the same was said by the WW1 Vet's of the soldiers in WW2, WW2 Vets of Korea/Vietnam Vets, ect. I would caution you though, we have an all volunteer military who continues to volunteer and re-enlist OVER and OVER knowing they'll be doing what...3+ tours in Iraq with a years vacation in Afghanistan. These kids are doing more, for longer with the understanding it isn't going to end soon...and it didn't take a draft card to get them there.
Finally, homo's have been in the militaries through out history...what makes you think today is any different then WW2????

[Buzz]

Originally Posted by SPF2245

I'm sure the same was said by the WW1 Vet's of the soldiers in WW2, WW2 Vets of Korea/Vietnam Vets, ect. I would caution you though, we have an all volunteer military who continues to volunteer and re-enlist OVER and OVER knowing they'll be doing what...3+ tours in Iraq with a years vacation in Afghanistan. These kids are doing more, for longer with the understanding it isn't going to end soon...and it didn't take a draft card to get them there.

True talk.

Finally, homo's have been in the militaries through out history...what makes you think today is any different then WW2????

Alexander The Great was a fruitified fellow, supposedly, and he did a fair bit of damage in his day.

[elmariachi]

Originally Posted by SPF2245

I'm sure the same was said by the WW1 Vet's of the soldiers in WW2, WW2 Vets of Korea/Vietnam Vets, ect.

I am not talking about the soldiers, I am talking about the kids in our high schools that are becoming eligible to serve. I am raising an 18 year old young man who has already been admitted to a military academy next fall, and I know dozens of his peers as well as many of his fellow seniors. The high school youth of this country are not nearly as capable, willing or able as they were 20, 30 and 40 years ago. And I am not talking about muscular strength.

Originally Posted by SPF2245

These kids are doing more, for longer with the understanding it isn't going to end soon...and it didn't take a draft card to get them there.

That's all fine and good, but we do not have the troop strength to support one more conflict. If we get entangled in conflict with "Insert the Next Muslim Terrorist Country Here," we will have real personnel problems.

Originally Posted by SPF2245

Finally, homo's have been in the militaries through out history...what makes you think today is any different then WW2????

Well let's see, for one thing, in WW2 we didn't have a president leading the charge to let gays openly serve in the military. And whether you know it or not, there wasn't even a HINT of homosexuality known by 99% of the troops in WW2 because it was hidden and not accepted. Go sit with a couple of WW2 veterans at a local VFW club and ask them, "Hey pops, were there any pickle smokers serving with you there on Iwo Jima?" Prepare to get your ass whipped by a couple of old men.

[bomelia]

Its really quite simple. ANY recruit must sign a form stating that he/she would have no problem going to war with anyone of any race, creed, nationality, etc. Long checklist like you fill out at the doctors office. Fail that, you don't get in.

With religion, it is less clear cut. But as with the Japenese Americans, I would most definitely have looked into their loyalty. Many had relatives back on the island. Knowing they might very well be shooting their own relatives would have been a disturbing thought.

But, just because someone has a particular faith is another thing altogether. Muslims in our Army should be disgusted by what these radical Islamists are doing and see them as nothing more than as an apostasy of their own faith...worthy of being eliminated. That is, of course, if the true Islamic faith is one of peace as we are told all the time.

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by elmariachi

Go sit with a couple of WW2 veterans at a local VFW club and ask them, "Hey pops, were there any pickle smokers serving with you there on Iwo Jima?" Prepare to get your ass whipped by a couple of old men.

Now, that's a good one!