Senate Health Care Bill

[Excaliber]

The system will certainly not collapse without bureaucrats and politicians being involved in it.

Depends on the definition of "collapse", I think we are all ready there! The costs are soaring, that's OK for those with good coverage or that can afford the best. But even for that esteemed group the costs, without control, will continue to go up. Given enough time only the very well connected will be able to get the best care. HUGE problem is the way Medicare and Medical are being run. Doctors get paid per "test" or "treatment".

Example's are everywhere. 80 something year old lady on her death bed, get's a Pap Smear! Get's all kinds of tests and treatments that are ridiculous. Yet that's how the Doctors get paid, all the specialist's in the hospital want a shot at the old lady "cash cow" to get their piece of the pie. Not illegal! You could say, not even unethical (but I would disagree). Reform: Change the way payments are made.

Phasing out SS, an idea that's been thrown around for some time, just like Health Care reform. Not going to be easy, political death for some, but I agree, some action will have to be taken down the road.

80% of the populace being covered for Health Care is an embarrasement to the USA. It should and can be 100%, like most other civilized countries have done.

Dan, I love borrowing your quotes, here's one:

You have bought into the conservative lie.

[Maricopa]

Hmmm, let me see. We have the best care in the world. Everyone gets 'covered' regardless of insurance or ability to pay...hell we even cover people here illegally...but it's ready to collapse? The only problem with our health care system is the cost, which is I agree is exorbanent. I'm self-employed and pay over $700 a month for my family and myself. Total robbery.....untill I spend a week in the hospital and don't have to shell out $100K from my own pocket. However, if you want insurance (as opposed to Health Care) for 100% of everybody, then you pay for it. Don't expect to pick my pocket to fulfill your dream of America becoming a 'civilized' country.

It's funny to see your examples of Medicade/Care fraud coupled with a desire to see the gov't control the rest of the system. It's like complaining about a mechanic screwing you over on a brake job while you're driving there to have him do an engine overhaul. Let's see the gov't fix Medicaide/Care first, then maybe we'll let 'em play with something else.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Depends on the definition of "collapse", I think we are all ready there! The costs are soaring, that's OK for those with good coverage or that can afford the best. But even for that esteemed group the costs, without control, will continue to go up. Given enough time only the very well connected will be able to get the best care. HUGE problem is the way Medicare and Medical are being run. Doctors get paid per "test" or "treatment".

Example's are everywhere. 80 something year old lady on her death bed, get's a Pap Smear! Get's all kinds of tests and treatments that are ridiculous. Yet that's how the Doctors get paid, all the specialist's in the hospital want a shot at the old lady "cash cow" to get their piece of the pie. Not illegal! You could say, not even unethical (but I would disagree). Reform: Change the way payments are made.

Phasing out SS, an idea that's been thrown around for some time, just like Health Care reform. Not going to be easy, political death for some, but I agree, some action will have to be taken down the road.

80% of the populace being covered for Health Care is an embarrasement to the USA. It should and can be 100%, like most other civilized countries have done.

Dan, I love borrowing your quotes, here's one:

Here's one you're welcome to use forever:

"Open you eyes and mind and experience reality. Liberal Utopia CANNOT exist."

What you want is the job of churches, philanthropists, and charities. It is not the job of Government.

Here's one you'll really love"

" The poor are to blame for being poor."

You probably won't use that one so much.

[Stentor]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

Example's are everywhere. 80 something year old lady on her death bed, get's a Pap Smear!

Sorry, Ernie--that's a ridiculous example. The only way an 80-year old lady is going to get a pap smear is if she goes to her gynecologist's office and asks for it.

Perhaps you could use the example that Obama provided in one of his teleprompter-led speeches over the summer--that physicians are performing unnecessary tonsillectomies on children--so the doctors can defraud the system and make money (physicians get reimbursed about $200 per tonsillectomy--so they need to do a heck of a lot of these procedures to get rich).

If you're going to argue your case for Obamacare, at least come up with some better fact-based examples.