EPA rules CO2 a dangerous pollutant

[Tom Kirkham]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1260...LEFTTopStories

Who would have ever thought that a life essential gas would become a "dangerous pollutant."

[Dan40]

Since we exhale this DANGEROUS GAS with every breath, can we now look forward to buying breathing credits [TAX] from our no longer benevolent Government.

[Silverback51]

Okay, at the count of 10, everyone stop breathing.

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7 December 1941 It was the Japs! 7 December 2009 It's the Whitehouse this time!
Where's the sleeping GIANT? People better wake the **** UP QUICK....

Your Dictator is going to force Cap & Trade down your throat or cut the EPA loose!

[RAZOR]

CO2 is nothing more than plant FOOD. I have made a joke for years that the government will soon put meters on our lungs so they could tax us, now its happening.

Thomas Jefferson wrote while he was POTUS, "If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretence of taking care of them, they must become happy" Nov. 29, 1802

[Art Burtt]

I say put a catalytic muffler on all the cows of the world that'll fix it!

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Art Burtt

I say put a catalytic muffler on all the cows of the world that'll fix it!

That's Methane, a whole different problem!

[bomelia]

Originally Posted by Art Burtt

I say put a catalytic muffler on all the cows of the world that'll fix it!

Won't work, just turn it into CO2

Mike

[SP01715]

Coal plants are the ones that will be impacted, along with the cost of our energy rates. The whole Obama plan is about government control. They don't intend to fix anything, they just want more government control so their dream of a socialist America can be achieved. Healtcare, global warming, giving the EPA more control etc...

[bomelia]

Well, the battle is lost. Cap & Tax will become a reality regardless.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009...ion-emissions/

We no longer have a government with checks and balances. Not when the EPA (and other like agencies) can just do what they want.

Sorry for being rude, but Obama sucks. I dislike this man very much. And I hope he loses power rapidly. There is no other way to stop him now.

Mike

[Ron61]

He isn't sure what he wants to do. These excerpts from two of his speeches.

Obama Last Week: "We are under no illusion that somehow the Federal Govt.can spend its way out of this recession."

Obama on Tuesday: "Even as we have had to spend our way out of this recession in the near term ...." The rest was just rambling.

Ron

[Excaliber]

It's a balancing act Ron. I do believe we have to "invest", er, spend to keep things going. Where and how much, well, you will never keep all the people happy all the time making those kind of decisions. I don't base my opinion on what Obama says, I base it on what the economic analysts, history and what has or hasn't worked for other countries in the past.

But I'm no economist, the problem is vastly more complex than I can begin to wrap my head around.

[bomelia]

Has ANYBODY ever spent their way out of there own personal recessions before?

[bomelia]

And by that, I mean, to suggest that it is different for larger scales (say the country) than for smaller scales, say our homes, is to expose a limited understanding of economics. And by this, I am not suggesting macro vs micro economics. They study the same thing on different scales. Its almost as if some folks are suggesting that Big Scale Economics and Small Scale Economics are totally different animals... like the differences between Relativisitc Physics and Newtonian Physics, or even better, Quantum Physics.Certainly, Newtonian is a subset of Relativisitic. But no one has argued yet in a definitive way yet that Qauntum transitions smoothly to everyday physics. They are trully different. But not Big Scale Economics and Small Scale Economics.

How big would your household get before it started acting like big scale economics? You borrow some money, and employ people around you to do stuff, then they pay you taxes which you use to pay off the loans. Right? Wrong! Unless these people produce on top of the artificially "GDP" that you have created, you can never get out of the debt circle.

The key is, overproducers must be allowed (even encouraged) to overproduce. Overproduction brings money in from unexpected sources, like, say, your neighbor who is not experiencing a mini-recession (or as bad as you).

You can not spend your way out of a recession. And you do not have to defer to "rocket scientists" to understand this. Use your head. Don't let government dweebs convince you this problem is too big to understand. hell, they were a big part of creating it!

Mike

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Excaliber

It's a balancing act Ron. I do believe we have to "invest", er, spend to keep things going. Where and how much, well, you will never keep all the people happy all the time making those kind of decisions. I don't base my opinion on what Obama says, I base it on what the economic analysts, history and what has or hasn't worked for other countries in the past.

But I'm no economist, the problem is vastly more complex than I can begin to wrap my head around.

Very complex indeed!

When you are deep in a hole, STOP DIGGING!

What a concept!

[Excaliber]

A worthy point!

[Excaliber]

Stop all spending? No, I don't think thats the ticket. Spend where/when it's needed? THAT is the question!

[bomelia]

Why does the government need to spend AT ALL? Other than Constitutional requirements, the governement should cease and decist. And, stop digging a deeper hole.

If anything, I have only felt the negative impact of this stupid spending. I work in a constitutionally required part of our government. Defense. And Obama is already cutting programs designed to meet field requirements for our soldiers so he can give schlepps medical care and pay off his cronies for votes.

Obama is a bum.

Mike

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Krauthammer: “There’s going to be a revolution on the administration’s hands.”

Hey UMW Brothers how's that Obama vote workin for ya?


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EPA lays off 500 coal miners in Clay County..
http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/5510

[Excaliber]

To much spending? Obama is just getting warmed up!

Fact is, only a percentage of the monies set aside for "stimulus" have actually been spent at this point. Stand by for more, it's gonna be great and the recovery, when it comes, will make this Administration "hero's".