Obama Hasn't Brought Country Together

[Excaliber]

I guess no freaking liberals ever tried to destroy Bush, now did they?

Your almost right (at least your leaning extreme right ). The attacks on Obama from Conservatives are unprecedented compared to Bush, in fact compared to any sitting President.

For instance, here in this thread he get's all the blame for unemployment, hasn't done anything to change it. Now as President he has to accept the blame, that's how the game works. Reality check is this: No matter WHO was President right now the job picture wouldn't change. With McCain/Palin in office it would be even worse! No question he DID inherit the biggest financial screwup since the great depression. And JUST LIKE the great depression it was preceded by Republican power for at least two terms before the people said "enough". The similarities between Repub power and financial collapse are disturbing.

[Silverback51]

Thank you gentlemen for proving my point. We have become to polarized in our believes and it's always the other side that caused the problem.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Thank you gentlemen for proving my point. We have become to polarized in our believes and it's always the other side that caused the problem.

Yep, both sides always seems to think that their poo does not stink.

Steve

[Ron61]

Ernie,

Electronic medical record keeping is another little talked about "reform".

That may not be such a great thing when you consider that twice in the past 3 years the medical records have been hacked and stolen from UC Berkley and USC. And then just this morning in the paper was an article where some fool that works for Kaiser had left a portable hard drive in his car with over 15,000 Californians medical records on it and someone had stolen it. They figure that every person who attended either of the colleges or ever had medical attention at either of their medical facilities now has their whole life history including how they paid for anything in the hands of people that could use it for identity theft.

Ron

[Gunner]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

We have become to polarized in our believes and it's always the other side that caused the problem.

The destruction of inherent trust in the office of the Presidency and the destruction of bipartisanship in Congress could lead to no other result.

To a certain extent, you have to trust your CO. He might be of the other party, he might be one or more sorts of idiot, but he's the guy the nation elected and is entitled to a certain radius of "hands off" and noninterference. If he screws up, unelect him next time. Nixon destroyed that trust and as a result we've had 35 years of unbelievable micro-management and armchair quarterbacking (always with a large contingent ready to shoot the QB), something no business CEO or military officer would stand for a second. It can only lead to dissatisfaction and poor judgment; how well do YOU drive when someone you can't tell to shut up is hectoring you with every turn of the wheel?

The loss of bipartisanship is more grievous. Since Reagan, who took his slim party majority as a sledgehammer, it's been an all-or-nothing battle. Any slim majority was enough to run roughshod over the other guys, damn the cost because Nyah Nyah We're In Control Now! What both parties have lost sight of is that neither one has had more than a very slight majority in Congress, ever. If one party has a whopping 60% majority... it means the other guys represent 40% of the nation. Ignoring that 40% means only that the current reigning party is going to take it in the @$$ when the balance tips the other way.

I don't think we'll ever regain the pre-Nixon trust of the office. But burying partisanship under a recognition that no party has represented more than about half the country at any time is a crucial goal.

[Bartruff1]

Originally Posted by Silverback51

Thank you gentlemen for proving my point. We have become to polarized in our believes and it's always the other side that caused the problem.

If you have a representative gov, you get what you deserve. The polarized partisan Congress represents the polarized partisan public . There is no dialog on any subject. There are facts and they can be found...BUT...no one gives a damn about the truth. It is all about talking points and spin like this forum. I think what might be new is that so many organizations and people profit from the political food fight and so anyone with a voice of reason is attacked as a traitor by his own party. Hell, maybe it was always this way, at least the Congressmen are not killing each other and the North isn't waging war against the South. Like Belichick says..." It is what it is "....and I should add...Bush was a moron and damn near destroyed the country with his wars, lack of governance , lack of regulation etc... and now " THE ONE WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR " is doing his best to save us and make the country and Constitution relavant again...kinda reminds me of the Big Block Small Block conversation...