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01-31-2010, 03:46 AM
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Wes, we respect your right to live the rest of your days with union blood running through your veins as it systematically socializes mental perceptions.
We're trying save the next generation...you know, the ones who have rejected unionization overwhemingly because they don't see the value.
Pretty bad when you're afraid of the secret ballot election process (The Soviet General Assembly didn't like it either), but I digress. 
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02-03-2010, 08:47 AM
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Finally free again. The nearly useless, lazy stockholders have been working me to the bone. But they gotta eat too, I guess. Eat well, at that, with over half the wealth and gaining. America's gone from where hard work made most of the money, to where money makes most of the money. Wonder how long that will last?
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Wes, we respect your right to live the rest of your days with union blood running through your veins as it systematically socializes mental perceptions.
Thanks, Jamo, from the bottom of my idealist heart. Don't ever give up on the slim chance that I am wrong, and the world truly functions better Darwinist, dog-eat-dog, survival only of the fittest.
We're trying save the next generation...you know, the ones who have rejected unionization overwhemingly because they don't see the value.
Us too. All that is necessary for the triumph of total corporate solidarity is that good kids do nothing.
Pretty bad when you're afraid of the secret ballot election process (The Soviet General Assembly didn't like it either), but I digress.
Guess it works both ways. Everytime we announce planned elections, we run into mysterious obstacles and serious intimidation, almost like the thwarts from the Soviet General Assembly stories.
Cardcheck. Nice try on our part. Stockholders(bourgeoisie)=1:Proletariat=0. Figures, huh?
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02-03-2010, 10:21 AM
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Finally free again. The nearly useless, lazy stockholders have been working me to the bone. But they gotta eat too, I guess. Eat well, at that, with over half the wealth and gaining. America's gone from where hard work made most of the money, to where money makes most of the money. Wonder how long that will last?
Wes
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Exactly WHEN was it that hard work made most of the money? It wasn't in the last 500 years.
Money has made the most money since money was invented.
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02-03-2010, 10:26 AM
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Exactly WHEN was it that hard work made most of the money? It wasn't in the last 500 years.
Money has made the most money since money was invented.
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Might have me there, Dan. Are you saying printed money and wealth aren't the same thing?
I kinda thought hard work created all the wealth, leastways up to now.
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02-03-2010, 04:40 PM
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Might have me there, Dan. Are you saying printed money and wealth aren't the same thing?
I kinda thought hard work created all the wealth, leastways up to now.
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Pick anybody and you can make the same case as for labor.
Salesman, nothing gets made by labor or any money made until a salesman sells it.
Bookkeepers, no money is made until they total it up.
Advertisers, no money is made until they tell people about the product.
Designers, no money is made until they design a desirable product.
On and on, everybody has a claim, including the CEO's.
You could also make a very strong case that labor is the most expensive and most easily replaced cog in the marketing wheel.
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02-03-2010, 05:45 PM
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Pick anybody and you can make the same case as for labor.
Salesman, nothing gets made by labor or any money made until a salesman sells it.
Bookkeepers, no money is made until they total it up.
Advertisers, no money is made until they tell people about the product.
Designers, no money is made until they design a desirable product.
On and on, everybody has a claim, including the CEO's.
You could also make a very strong case that labor is the most expensive and most easily replaced cog in the marketing wheel.
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Dan,
Pick anybody and you can make the same case as for labor?
Not in a basic sense. I'm glad you are thinking about it anyway.
Farmer plants, raises and digs up a carrot in an act of labor. Sells it at the market, no additional salesman, bookkeeper, advertiser, designer or CEO. Farmer buys bacon and goes home, the money, the wealth, is made and spent by one.
You can only replace the farmer with another farmer, albeit maybe a cheaper farmer in a sort of intimidated reverse bidding of the working class. All these other people are middlemen and cause the price of carrots to go up by trading the original wealth back and forth or selling a slice. A lot of people live off one original carrot.
You forgot stockholders. What do they add besides chronic burden and the first carrot seed?
OK. You noticed I said no outside designer. Might have to give the almighty some credit on carrot design, but that's it.
I hear an oar already calling again. Dang.
Wes
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02-03-2010, 06:22 PM
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Dan,
Pick anybody and you can make the same case as for labor?
Not in a basic sense. I'm glad you are thinking about it anyway.
Farmer plants, raises and digs up a carrot in an act of labor. Sells it at the market, no additional salesman, bookkeeper, advertiser, designer or CEO. Farmer buys bacon and goes home, the money, the wealth, is made and spent by one.
You can only replace the farmer with another farmer, albeit maybe a cheaper farmer in a sort of intimidated reverse bidding of the working class. All these other people are middlemen and cause the price of carrots to go up by trading the original wealth back and forth or selling a slice. A lot of people live off one original carrot.
You forgot stockholders. What do they add besides chronic burden and the first carrot seed?
OK. You noticed I said no outside designer. Might have to give the almighty some credit on carrot design, but that's it.
I hear an oar already calling again. Dang.
Wes
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Sorry but the farmer is the CEO of an independent business. He is Management! Not a member of labor. But if the carrots are doing well, he might be looking to hire some labor.
Stockholder? Provide financing for the business.
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