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Old 02-03-2010, 06:22 PM
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Pick anybody and you can make the same case as for labor?
Not in a basic sense. I'm glad you are thinking about it anyway.

Farmer plants, raises and digs up a carrot in an act of labor. Sells it at the market, no additional salesman, bookkeeper, advertiser, designer or CEO. Farmer buys bacon and goes home, the money, the wealth, is made and spent by one.

You can only replace the farmer with another farmer, albeit maybe a cheaper farmer in a sort of intimidated reverse bidding of the working class. All these other people are middlemen and cause the price of carrots to go up by trading the original wealth back and forth or selling a slice. A lot of people live off one original carrot.

You forgot stockholders. What do they add besides chronic burden and the first carrot seed?

OK. You noticed I said no outside designer. Might have to give the almighty some credit on carrot design, but that's it.

I hear an oar already calling again. Dang.

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Sorry but the farmer is the CEO of an independent business. He is Management! Not a member of labor. But if the carrots are doing well, he might be looking to hire some labor.

Stockholder? Provide financing for the business.
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Sorry but the farmer is the CEO of an independent business. He is Management! Not a member of labor. But if the carrots are doing well, he might be looking to hire some labor.

Stockholder? Provide financing for the business.
An idea is easy to convey. A concept is not.

Yes, the simple, single farmer is everything, CEO (management), salesman, bookkeeper, advertiser, designer (breed selection). In short, the farmer represents all labor and nothing of wealth exists without it. He is also the sole proprietor, aka stockholder. A working stockholder, unlike most in the Wallstreet shellgame.

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(Outside) Stockholder ... Provide financing for the business?
OK. They provide a carrot seed one time. Once they get their seed money back twofold (2 seeds), why do we have to keep paying them? Standing off to one side, looks more like the business, aka the labor, is providing financing for them, to me. They already have accumulated over half the wealth. Usury. As in they're freeloading, bigtime.

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Old 02-05-2010, 04:08 AM
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An idea is easy to convey. A concept is not.

Yes, the simple, single farmer is everything, CEO (management), salesman, bookkeeper, advertiser, designer (breed selection). In short, the farmer represents all labor and nothing of wealth exists without it. He is also the sole proprietor, aka stockholder. A working stockholder, unlike most in the Wallstreet shellgame.
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Often, the sole proprietor dreams of one day expanding his business. He understands that he is only one man, and can't possibly do everything, so as his business grows, he is forced to employ other people to take over some of the tasks, or at least contract out for services that he cannot provide for himself for whatever reason. Unfortunately, one cannot always find employees that are as capable as the initial proprietor, so you have to hire other less capable people to perform some of the menial tasks. Wes, are you one of these employees?

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. A working stockholder, unlike most in the Wallstreet shellgame.


OK. They provide a carrot seed one time. Once they get their seed money back twofold (2 seeds), why do we have to keep paying them? Standing off to one side, looks more like the business, aka the labor, is providing financing for them, to me. They already have accumulated over half the wealth. Usury. As in they're freeloading, bigtime.
Nobody forces any owner to agree to accept investment money to help his business. Some owners do, others don't. Investment money serves a purpose. Maybe you should change you occupation to that of an investor? Would you be happy? Do you think you're capable of that? Does it matter if the money was your own or someone else's?


Man, what a great thread. This is exactly what club cobra is about. Bringing all of us from different ways of life together to share our love for humanity.

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