Dear Mr. President from Rush Limbaugh

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Yes Wes...imagine: We could pay farmworkers more if the Lounge regulars simply donated all of the sh!t we are collectively full of (and replenish every day) to the Farm Bureau for use by its members to feed the world.

We can then proceed forward knowing that other countries are relient on our intestinal fortitude.

Our intestinal fortitude?? Good one, Jamo. Guess that's the way it really is, too.

Originally Posted by Dan40

Dan, as different business race to be laborless, who in the heck are they going to sell the macaroni to, their own investors? Are we to become a nation of indolent stockholders? Can we survive without any labor at all?

They will 'sell' to those living off the all giving Govt.

How that will work is beyond me, but liberals seem convinced it is a viable plan!

How that will work?? Well maybe it will work just like the Monopoly game. The one, single corporate investor that comes out on top, will own all the property and collect everybody's $200 as they go around Go. Seeing as how the bank will run out of money, the government will have to print more to keep up. And that's probably the way it really already is, too.

######

A lot of you know that my job is to haul coal as an overpaid union railroad worker. The company would like to eliminate my job, but they don't have it down pat yet.

I do have it down. Earlier in the thread, I said, "I know how to make the coal pay me to haul itself ".

Ain't nobody going to bite on this?

Wes

...

[Black Mamba]

Originally Posted by Wes Tausend

How that will work?? Well maybe it will work just like the Monopoly game. The one, single corporate investor that comes out on top, will own all the property and collect everybody's $200 as they go around Go. Seeing as how the bank will run out of money, the government will have to print more to keep up. And that's probably the way it really already is, too.

######

A lot of you know that my job is to haul coal as an overpaid union railroad worker. The company would like to eliminate my job, but they don't have it down pat yet.

I do have it down. Earlier in the thread, I said, "I know how to make the coal pay me to haul itself ".

Ain't nobody going to bite on this?

Wes

...

Wes, we know who the single corporate investor is, they're over in the far east and have buying up our debt at a dizzy pace. Simply put, they are at the beginning of a industrial revolution, similarly to where this nation was 100 years ago. It will catch up to them, as a communist nation they will be a regime change soon enough due to the accelerated pace of growth and the mega separation between the haves and have nots.

Addressing issue with farms, many of the farmers here in California have done one of two things, sold out to developers or over used insecticides for the last half century and ruined their land. No this is not a fact so please don't quote me, however when I go to the store and buy fruit or veggies, they've often got those little pesky stickers that say "product of..." which of course makes me think we bought the farm on that market too.

And on to the union job that you have, that I have, and maybe some of the others here also give thanks for. Yes I'm overpaid for what I do, it's really an assembly job more then anything but it's in a industry that is known for super spending and I don't object to a little of it landing in my wallet. However it is an industry that for the time being and near future is only thinning a bit. Some jobs have gone to Canada, some to Europe, but for the most part it's an industry started and based here in the states and not leaving. What is threatening it is a flood of non union labor and a upper management that only sees bottom line and profits. I'd be happy to do my position at a lower rate but I could no longer afford to live in L.A. with a comfortable life style. Unfortunately L.A. is where most of the work is based. And I'd miss the great health care our union provides. At the same time that we're shedding jobs we recorded another record year.

God save America (from ourselves)

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Wes Tausend

A lot of you know that my job is to haul coal as an overpaid union railroad worker. The company would like to eliminate my job, but they don't have it down pat yet.
..

The only people truly overpaid are the ones that vote themselves their own salaries, benefits, and raises at the taxpayers expense. Everybody else lives in a capitalistic system, such that if they price their productivity too high, they may lose their employment opportunities even though they may blame others as being responsible.

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Wes Tausend

"I know how to make the coal pay me to haul itself ".

Wes,
I'll bite - I saw that earlier and meant to ask - too many distractions on my other PC...

So how do you manage to move coal that way?

Steve

[Black Mamba]

What I was trying to relay many, many replies ago is that when a (American) job is sent overseas in search of cheap labor how often do we see it reflected in the price? Not often enough are those saving passed on to the consumers. What comes to mind right off the bat is Nike. Years ago I remember seeing a special on how their shoe production had gone overseas, worker pay was like 28 cents a day, and yet a pair of shoes - I think Jordans were the ones singled out - still carried a price tag of $125 + at the time. This was in the early '90's.

In 2009 Footjoy shuttered their plant here that made the high end Footjoy Classic, a shoe used by most pro's and many amateurs that enjoy the finer things in life. This plant had been around since the '50's. Supposedly not enough interest or demand for this premium golf shoe. They are now carrying the ICon line which replaced it and are made in Asia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1024-Golf-...-plant-closing

What else has to leave this country in order to appease stockholder profit margins? I think any job is a good job and better then relying on government support and I'm sure that many who've lost their jobs would echo that sentiment.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Black Mamba

What I was trying to relay many, many replies ago is that when a (American) job is sent overseas in search of cheap labor how often do we see it reflected in the price? Not often enough are those saving passed on to the consumers. What comes to mind right off the bat is Nike. Years ago I remember seeing a special on how their shoe production had gone overseas, worker pay was like 28 cents a day, and yet a pair of shoes - I think Jordans were the ones singled out - still carried a price tag of $125 + at the time. This was in the early '90's.

In 2009 Footjoy shuttered their plant here that made the high end Footjoy Classic, a shoe used by most pro's and many amateurs that enjoy the finer things in life. This plant had been around since the '50's. Supposedly not enough interest or demand for this premium golf shoe. They are now carrying the ICon line which replaced it and are made in Asia.

http://www.examiner.com/x-1024-Golf-Equipment-Examiner~y2009m3d9-FootJoys-Connor-explains-plant-closing

What else has to leave this country in order to appease stockholder profit margins? I think any job is a good job and better then relying on government support and I'm sure that many who've lost their jobs would echo that sentiment.

Every American job that goes offshore is awful, no question. Wonder if labor will ever look at themselves for an answer to that problem rather than the Govt?

And the shoe example you use. Yep, they get the shoes made cheap overseas. Then they pay every big name basketball player $8 million a year to wear their shoes. So blue collar workers can watch them play on TV. They also runs shoe adds on those games. What did they pay Tiger to wear their logo? $60 million? That's a Dollar a pair if they sold 60 million pairs. All those payouts go into the selling price of the shoe and the advertising is expensive too.
And I can see the reaction of American labor when a boss says, "Sorry, no raises this year. Even tho our product was flying off the shelves at $125.00 each, we decided to lower the price to $85.00 just to be nice guys!" "So now we can't give any raises, and the stockholders are really pissed too."

[Jamo]

Yes Wes...imagine: We could pay farmworkers more if the Lounge regulars simply donated all of the sh!t we are collectively full of (and replenish every day) to the Farm Bureau for use by its members to feed the world.

We can then proceed forward knowing that other countries are relient on our intestinal fortitude.

[Jamo]

Me! Me! "No man is an aisle!"

[VRM]

Originally Posted by Jamo

Me! Me! "No man is an aisle!"

Touche!

I'll have to remember that for next time...

[Buzz]

Coal fired locomotives - or am I plum loco?

[Jamo]

What in the world...

[VRM]

Wes,
A similar sort of technology already exists, and has been used. F1 called it KERS for Kinetic Energy Recovery System. It gave cars an extra 80bhp for a small handful of seconds. Sometimes it was enough to pass a car when used well, other times the weight disadvantage balanced it out. Most teams phased it out, and I think it will be out of all cars when the new season starts in a month or so.

Steve

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by VRM

Wes,
A similar sort of technology already exists, and has been used. F1 called it KERS for Kinetic Energy Recovery System. It gave cars an extra 80bhp for a small handful of seconds. Sometimes it was enough to pass a car when used well, other times the weight disadvantage balanced it out. Most teams phased it out, and I think it will be out of all cars when the new season starts in a month or so.

Steve

Steve,

It sounds like Williams might use KERS in 2010, but maybe not since the loss of Toyota.

Since Toyota based the Prius on a battery recovery system, its possible that was the reason to promote it. Cosworth might not have any interest in KERS. What have you heard?

The Prius gains a lot of acceleration from the recovery and general battery storage use. The second generation Prius electric motor provides 295 footpounds of torque by itself, just shy of the 300 footpound Ford Mustang 5.0 V8. Toyota limits the torque to protect the little axles.

As a side note, some electric rail switch yards pump dynamic braking energy back into the third rail, as recovered power to be used by other switchers in the same circuit.

Wes

...

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by Wes Tausend

As a side note, some electric rail switch yards pump dynamic braking energy back into the third rail, as recovered power to be used by other switchers in the same circuit.

Well, if that's the case, then energy recovery is already feasible to some degree.

You figure the weight of the empty train/cars go up and down the hill, so the available potential energy is that of the load mass x elevation. If in the process of changing potential energy to mechanical to electrical to mechanical, the loss of energy to mechanical friction/elctrical conduction, etc, is significantly less than that of the potential energy, then I would think there is a possiblity of it working. I think you would have to have two parallel rail systems, or at least a bypass area, so the trains coming down and going up could be operating at the same time, to be able to transfer the electrical power generated efficiently.

I guess anything is possible if you throw enough of money at it.

[Dan40]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Well, if that's the case, then energy recovery is already feasible to some degree.

You figure the weight of the empty train/cars go up and down the hill, so the available potential energy is that of the load mass x elevation. If in the process of changing potential energy to mechanical to electrical to mechanical, the loss of energy to mechanical friction/elctrical conduction, etc, is significantly less than that of the potential energy, then I would think there is a possiblity of it working. I think you would have to have two parallel rail systems, or at least a bypass area, so the trains coming down and going up could be operating at the same time, to be able to transfer the electrical power generated efficiently.

I guess anything is possible if you throw enough of money at it.

Our Governments at all levels have throughly disproved that theory!!

[Wes Tausend]

Originally Posted by Jamo

What in the world...

I know. I know. But this thread was already rife with B.S.
Hope you don't mind too much.

Wes

...