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Lots of legal questions, lots of opinions........ The data has been retrieved by law enforcement personnel in serious accidents involving fatalities to help find out what really happened and as a result people were found guilty of serious crimes and went to jail, now they are suing becasue they claim they "own" that data and others have no right to it.........It's a legal nightmare and will not be quickly or easily resovled....... David |
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In the United States, tobacco use is responsible for about one in five deaths annually (i.e., about 443,000 deaths per year, and an estimated 49,000 of these tobacco-related deaths are the result of secondhand smoke exposure). Alcohol related deaths are greater than vehicle deaths, black box? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.S. deaths a year - Health - Addictions - msnbc.com |
Tom, please install one of these in 690 for me. I want to be first!
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Alcohol unfortunately, does not always cause self-inflicted harm and there are indeed innocent persons killed or injured by intoxicated people. It would be absolutely brilliant if there was an accurate way to keep people of out cars when they are drunk.
Your link provides some important information. Of those 75,000 deaths, 41,000 are due to traffic accidents and other mishaps. It sure would be great if police didn't have to call people because someone killed their spouse or child. |
Isn't it so much easier to attempt to disparage and marginalize people trying to protect their liberty by suggesting they're irrational than it is to rationalize to a free people why it's preferred they sacrifice more and more of their liberty because arrogant elitists think they know what's best?
When you're on the wrong side, you're only real option is to disparage when you can't win on ideas. Nothing new here. ;) |
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In France: population about 60 millions. Road fatalities: 4000 and home(domestic) fatalities: 20 000!!! |
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And now suddenly there are sides and liberty is threatened? Wow! Things escalate quickly. I fear this thread will soon be closed. Maybe it should. But let's see if we can keep it open with some humor and intelligent discussion. |
....and no, my discussion is not intelligent.
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Some don't get it, and I don't always have the patience to explain it.
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Want a little humor. OK, if you are involved in a wreck refuse to turn off you car for fifteen minutes. The computer will clear itself...........I think. :rolleyes:
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You can bet big bro and others are using data you have never even know was being collected. One auto insurance company is now suggesting you plug a monitor into your cars data port for 30 days. Then send it to them with a recording of your driving habits and they base your payments on the factors monitored. Just one example of many, ever wonder why your TV sat. box must be hooked to a phone line even if you do not download extra programs? The TV sat company collects all your viewing habits and sells and trades this info as demographics and marketing info. It goes on and on and on.
Here is link to insurance co. and the recording device ... Progressive Snapshot hardware details revealed - SlashGear |
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There are 3 guys in the other car who we're going 80 mph and slammed into you. You are severely injured and will be in great discomfort for the rest of your life. You will lose your house and not be able to support your family. They have 3 witnesses with impeccable backgrounds as leaders of the community. It's your word against theirs. ....Or are you the driver in the other car? As best I can tell, those who don't like the black box want to break the law or do something bad, and get away with it. Oh sure, I understand the big brother thing. Who doesn't? We're all tired of regulation upon regulation making our lives more complicated and being more intrusive. But this one just doesn't fit the bill. It is tiresome to have improvements forced upon us on our cars. But for the most part, while costly, they have been very beneficial. We hated seatbelt laws when they came out and refused to wear them. But, after 43 years, we now have crush zones and air bag system. Brilliant. Your on a computer right now. The government can track every keystroke, monitor you from your camera, and listen to everything going on in the room. Geez, they have satellites that can watch your every step outside. But the black box, that can defend you in an accident, is threatening our liberty? Like lawyers, the black box is a neutral device. There is one (or presumably would be in the future) on each side of the courtroom. It could be your best friend. |
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For example, your cell phone probably has a GPS tracking device. The ostensable reason is for your own safety, so 911 can find you in an emergency. But, they also planned to seel that data to advertisers. As you neared the next burger king, they would call you with a recorded add: "Hungry? There's a juicy Whopper waiting for you at exit 159!" How many calls would it take before you threw the phone out the window? Cops have a license plate reading device. It's a camera that's attached to a computer that recognizes license plates. Cops would drive down the street, scane every plate on that street, and record the location of every car, and therefore the general location of every driver. If your car was parked in a "drug Zone", you were automatically labeled as a supicious person. Does this sound familier, "Let me see your papers, old man"? Statements such as yours usually indicate a flaming liberal, who believes the gov't knows best, and we should never interfere. Or it often indicates someone under the age of 25, who just hasn't been around long enough to see the excesses of our own gov't. I'm not sure you really do understand the big brother thing. Given the choice, I would eliminate the seatbelt law for all adults. Here in CO, we do not have a helmet law for motorcycle riders over the age of 18. Every once in a while, the bill manages to get on the ballot. I vote against it every time. Given the chance, I would also vote against the seatbelt law for adults. Now, before you jump on your high horse and ride around the block a few times, Let me also say I never ride my motorcycle without a helmet. Never. And I never drive my car without my seat belt buckled. Never. IMO, to do either of those is just plain foolish. But who am I to tell you what you have to do? Maybe you don't want to wear a helmet or a seatbelt, and you're willing to accept the additional risk. I don't think that's a smart decision. But I do think it's your decision, not mine. You're an adult, and you have a right to be foolish of you want to. As long as you're only putting yourself at risk, have at it. |
Provocative discusson...moved to the Lounge.
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