Black boxes required in 2015

[Tom Kirkham]

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[kobrabytes]

I say, thank goodness for my 1965 Cobra (Kirkham) With its low tech technology. At least there isn't a black box to incriminate me.

It is interesting how our ever increasing police state mentality has taken away our ability to plead the 5th. Orwell barley scraped the surface.

len

[Silverback51]

I'm glad I'm old enough that I can buy my last new car in 2014 and it will last me the rest of my life. Hopefully.

[undy]

A lot of MFRs have already voluntarily been putting black boxes in since 2007 or so. No big news here...

[kobrabytes]

Originally Posted by undy

A lot of MFRs have already voluntarily been putting black boxes in since 2007 or so. No big news here...

Mandate = News

At least before you would have a choice if you want to buy a new car.

Go ahead, sit back and enjoy the sand pile that you call home.

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by kobrabytes

Go ahead, sit back and enjoy the sand pile that you call home.

Frankly, uncalled for.

ron
ClubCobra Moderator

[kobrabytes]

Originally Posted by computerworks

Frankly, uncalled for.

ron
ClubCobra Moderator

I don't agree. I think a lot of people sit by and ignore the constant creep of government intrusion. Just a little here and there and pretty soon you have no rights. People laugh and and say you're paranoid. I'm old enough to compare now with 40 years ago, and can say we've lost a hell of a lot.

If people want to sit with their head in the sand and pretend that nothing is happening, they are free to do so. I simply can't. One day they will force us to put these devices on our Cobras, or not be able to street them. Mark my words, and I don't even pretend to know Nostradamus.

When the mass of people passively comply, we all comply.

As long as I am not hurting anyone I want to play with my toys, when, where, and how I choose. Especially my LOUD and FAST toys!

[computerworks]

Originally Posted by kobrabytes

I don't agree.

That doesn't matter. Your crack to him was uncalled for.

Leave it at that.

Thanks.

[Silverback51]

Originally Posted by computerworks

That doesn't matter. Your crack to him was uncalled for.

Leave it at that.

Thanks.

I agree. He is entitled to his opinion even if I don't agree with it.

[DougD]

Originally Posted by kobrabytes

Mandate = News

At least before you would have a choice if you want to buy a new car.

Go ahead, sit back and enjoy the sand pile that you call home.

I agree with you about government intrusion in our lives, but I challenge you to find a new car that doesn't already have one.

[joyridin']

Originally Posted by DougD

I agree with you about government intrusion in our lives, but I challenge you to find a new car that doesn't already have one.

Heck yeah...there have been numerous court cases where they pulled the computer for information on speed etc. The only issue was exactly how much information they were recording.

[Bill Bess]

Uncalled for I agree , "sand pile you call home".

I do agree with the comment regarding government imposing more controls and restrictions as compared with 40 years ago.

One way to look at things going on today is, are they making it safer, faster and better based on current and future needs. Sometimes change is difficult to accept especially if your old like me, but we need to embrace postive changes and stand up and protest negative changes.

Screw it...where can I buy racing fuel with no corn in it and plenty of lead.
Oh! by the way, my house is built on a sand pile...I park my Camels out front next to the Cobra.

[Paul F]

Originally Posted by kobrabytes

,,,

If people want to sit with their head in the sand and pretend that nothing is happening, they are free to do so. I simply can't. ..

Excellent. What actions have you taken against this latest 'invasion of privacy'?

Once again, Tom posts a link on this topic with no commentary and everyone chimes in about government 'invasion of privacy'.

No one makes a case about how this invades privacy. No one states what they are doing to help limit government regulation.

Tom, what is your point?

[bliss]

Originally Posted by Paul F

Excellent. What actions have you taken against this latest 'invasion of privacy'?

Once again, Tom posts a link on this topic with no commentary and everyone chimes in about government 'invasion of privacy'.

No one makes a case about how this invades privacy. No one states what they are doing to help limit government regulation.

Tom, what is your point?

Why are you being so uppity about this subject? You also have offered nothing, one way or the other.

[Paul F]

Bliss,

I'm trying to find out what this post is about. This is the second time Tom has posted a link about the black box. He just posts a link and makes no other comment.

Others make statements about invasion of privacy but don't state what concerns them about the bill.

Kobrabytes takes a shot at someone about a sandpile and says we can all stick our heads in the sand but he can't. It seemed that his crack was his effort to stop the continued invasion of privacy. I wanted to know if he was doing something beyond that.

In other words, its all a lot of talk without any specifics. I'd like to know what Tom is trying to express. I'd like to understand what it is about the bill that people find invasive.

[Ron61]

I think the Govt, is invading our privacy in many ways but the black box thing doesn't bother me as it won't incriminate a person unless they are breaking the law in some way such as speeding. I consider their watching what we do in our own yards with the satellite cameras a far more invasion of my privacy than having a black box that tells them I was doing 90 in a 45m zone when I had a wreck. Who knows, maybe it will stop some of these wrecks and save a few lives if people are afraid of it. Now if they could just get it to record when a person uses a cell phone or texts while they are driving which is against the law here but they won't enforce it around this area at all.

Ron

[1ntCobra]

Let's think about where technology could take this.



First you get a black box that can be read after you are pulled over by a police officer.

The next logical step is to have the black box wireless broadcast information about your car, speed, etc. as you are driving that can be picked up by police officers along the side of the road.

The step after that is a smart highway that checks up on you and sends you a traffic violation to you via text message, email and instantly deducts the fine from your bank account without the need for human intervention.

[Ron61]

You are correct in your statements about where it could lead but if you aren't breaking a law the technology can still screw up once in a while. A good example of this was in the news this morning where some outfit that buys up old debts that people owe and then collects them by any means they can. Their computers told them that some woman owed a big debt on her house and they started threatening her and she has records on her calling line identification of numerous calls from her local police department threatening her. She owed nothing on anything and hadn't for years. So she sued them and got a $10 million dollar settlement but she can't collect it. Even though the computers have records of the calls from the local police they say they never did contact her at all. And that is very possible as I know I can make calls and have them come in as my neighbor or others that I may want to. So no matter what, technology is not infallible. However, I am afraid it is to late to stop the Govt. from taking over and knowing about everything we do and when and where.

Ron

Originally Posted by 1ntCobra

Let's think about where technology could take this.



First you get a black box that can be read after you are pulled over by a police officer.

The next logical step is to have the black box wireless broadcast information about your car, speed, etc. as you are driving that can be picked up by police officers along the side of the road.

The step after that is a smart highway that checks up on you and sends you a traffic violation to you via text message, email and instantly deducts the fine from your bank account without the need for human intervention.

[Paul F]

1ntCobra, your predictions are probably quite accurate. So the concern is that it will be more difficult and costly to break the law in the future?

I suppose if the government were really in favor of safety, the black box could prevent you from exceeding the speed limit. It would know the local speed and prevent you from going over it. What fun that would be!

But that is all speculation about the future.

What this thread is ignoring is the benefit (and assumed intent) of this legislation. Getting accurate information about an accident to properly defend an innocent person and convicting the correct person.

Objecting to this legislation, would be the same as objecting to DNA evidence. Its here to find the truth.

Will the next piece of legislation go a step further? Well, maybe so. But that's not a reason to get upset about this legislation.

[1ntCobra]

I have heard about the red-light cameras issuing tickets in Philadelphia for cars in funeral processions. In which case it is OK to go through the light. You would think the people reviewing the pictures could tell it was a funeral procession as the cars are usually marked with flags or stickers here in PA.

Originally Posted by Ron61

You are correct in your statements about where it could lead but if you aren't breaking a law the technology can still screw up once in a while. A good example of this was in the news this morning where some outfit that buys up old debts that people owe and then collects them by any means they can. Their computers told them that some woman owed a big debt on her house and they started threatening her and she has records on her calling line identification of numerous calls from her local police department threatening her. She owed nothing on anything and hadn't for years. So she sued them and got a $10 million dollar settlement but she can't collect it. Even though the computers have records of the calls from the local police they say they never did contact her at all. And that is very possible as I know I can make calls and have them come in as my neighbor or others that I may want to. So no matter what, technology is not infallible. However, I am afraid it is to late to stop the Govt. from taking over and knowing about everything we do and when and where.

Ron